Best-Paying Jobs in Singapore (2008)

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Best-Paying Jobs in Singapore (2008)

July 5th, 2008
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(9 August 2009 – See the 2009 edition of this list.)

This is the 2008 edition of my annual list of the top 100 jobs in terms of pay (see last year’s edition).

This list is compiled based on data from MOM Occupational Wages Survey, which is published as part of the Report on Wages in Singapore 2007.

As with previous years, the MOM survey does not capture performance bonuses, profit sharing and stock options.

To generate the list, I looked at the third-quartile monthly gross wages of the selected jobs published. Explanation: if you’re at the third-quartile, or 75th-percentile, your pay is higher than 75% of the people.

Here’s the top 100 best-paying jobs:

  1. Specialised surgeon – $30,755
  2. Managing director – $24,472
  3. General surgeon – $17,872
  4. Commodities futures broker – $17,464
  5. General manager – $16,667
  6. Company director – $15,513
  7. Creative director (Advertising) – $13,000
  8. Legal service manager – $12,318
  9. Foreign exchange dealer and broker – $11,095
  10. Operations manager (Finance) – $9,808
  11. Legal officer – $9,790
  12. Risk management manager – $9,600
  13. Research and development manager – $9,385
  14. Computer operations and network manager – $9,300
  15. Training manager – $9,000
  16. Computer and information systems manager – $8,930
  17. Ship-master – $8,671
  18. Technical manager – $8,595
  19. Financial futures dealer and broker – $8,447
  20. Personnel / Human resource manager – $8,420
  21. Business development manager – $8,290
  22. Corporate planning manager – $8,290
  23. Fund manager – $8,125
  24. Treasury manager – $8,079
  25. Budgeting and financial accounting manager – $8,000
  26. Marketing manager – $8,000
  27. Power generation and distribution engineer – $7,848
  28. Engineering manager – $7,819
  29. Chemical engineer (Petroleum) – $7,678
  30. Manufacturing plant and production manager – $7,645
  31. Chemical engineer (Petrochemicals) – $7,547
  32. Advertising and public relations manager – $7,533
  33. Advocate and solicitor – $7,500
  34. Operations research analyst – $7,500
  35. Business management consultant – $7,437
  36. Procurement manager – $7,416
  37. Lawyer (except advocate and solicitor) – $7,400
  38. Quality assurance manager – $7,263
  39. Customer service manager – $7,142
  40. Sales manager – $7,100
  41. Logistics manager – $7,050
  42. Operations manager (Commerce) – $6,862
  43. Chemical engineering technician (Petroleum) – $6,696
  44. Automation engineer – $6,680
  45. Instrumentation engineer – $6,616
  46. Book editor – $6,538
  47. Surveyor – $6,523
  48. Industrial health, safety and environment engineer – $6,503
  49. Building architect – $6,500
  50. Transport operations manager – $6,400
  51. Editor (Newspapers and periodicals) – $6,369
  52. Marine superintendent engineer – $6,340
  53. Audio and video equipment engineer – $6,307
  54. Premises maintenance manager – $6,304
  55. Personal banker – $6,250
  56. Chemist – $6,241
  57. Electrical engineering technician (High voltage) – $6,225
  58. Business analyst – $6,205
  59. General physician – $6,173
  60. Administration manager – $6,150
  61. Financial analyst – $6,000
  62. Securities dealer and broker – $5,750
  63. Shipping manager – $5,721
  64. Building and construction project manager – $5,720
  65. Property / Estate manager – $5,715
  66. Physicist – $5,700
  67. Editor (Radio, television and video) – $5,658
  68. Information technology security specialist – $5,646
  69. Advertising copywriter – $5,600
  70. Director (Stage, film, television and radio) – $5,512
  71. Automotive engineer – $5,500
  72. Naval architect – $5,480
  73. Chemical engineering technician (Petrochemicals) – $5,424
  74. Chinese physician – $5,316
  75. Financial planner – $5,283
  76. Aeronautical engineer – $5,242
  77. Chemical engineer (General) – $5,187
  78. Broadcasting operations technician – $5,178
  79. Market research analyst – $5,174
  80. Producer / Director of commercials – $5,150
  81. Manufacturing engineer – $5,137
  82. Systems programmer – $5,111
  83. Actuary – $5,100
  84. Production engineer – $5,091
  85. Sales representative (Technicial) – $5,089
  86. Database administrator – $5,080
  87. Semi-conductor engineer – $5,035
  88. Mechanical engineer – $5,000
  89. Ship rigger – $4,933
  90. Systems designer and analyst – $4,914
  91. Network systems and data communication analyst – $4,894
  92. Sales representative (Medical and pharmaceutical products) – $4,857
  93. Flight operations officer – $4,801
  94. Civil engineer – $4,746
  95. Script writer – $4,740
  96. Warehousing manager – $4,706
  97. Materials engineer – $4,689
  98. Electrical engineer – $4,665
  99. Credit analyst – $4,631
  100. Electronics engineer – $4,615
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295 Responses to “Best-Paying Jobs in Singapore (2008)”


  1. windwaver Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Oh, seems that the min has gone up lol


  2. Howcome Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Did anybody watch the Untold Wealth program on CNBC yesterday? The highest paying type of surgeon is neurosurgeon. In the US, the top Neurosurgeons earn about USD20+m/year.

    The top hedge funds guys? Close to USD900m/year :-) Recession be damned, they say.


  3. windwaver Says:
    July 6th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    I really wonder when will that bubble burst……


  4. CJ Says:
    July 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    To paint a more accurate picture, I feel that the MOM figures should take into considerations of the bonus and benefits received. After all, it does have access to these information via IRAS.


  5. rainymondays Says:
    July 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Yes, if the information includes only monthly wages, that is not very accurate as probably 1/3 of their annual package is tied in to bonuses.


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  7. The Trader Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Yes untold wealth is a darn good programme. Simply enjoyed watching it. But I thought they mentioned top neurosurgeon earns like US$2.7m a year ? Top Hedge fund managers earn like US$877m. Clarify me if I remembered wrongly. haha.


  8. Howcome Says:
    July 8th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    @The Trader: I think it was 22m leh. But not sure lah, maybe wrong also. But yeah, very good programme right. Makes you wonder what the heck are you doing with your day job :-)


  9. Teaching? Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    Why is a teaching career not mentioned as one of the top 100 best-paying jobs? Or is it not even one?


  10. ChangeJob Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Dear ladies and gentlemen,

    Kindly share with me the above figure is based on how many years of experience?

    What can a production engineer earn for 1.5 yrs experience?

    Best regards


  11. IT engineer Says:
    July 11th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Which sector of IT earn better? Network or Programming?


  12. neither Says:
    July 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Neither. If you want more money, try to get into a bank (after the recession). I heard forex algo programming is in demand.
    Easier way to make more $$$ is to do sales.
    Being technical in Singapore doesn’t pay. Get out.


  13. ChangeJob Says:
    July 12th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    To: neither
    Pls correct me if I am wrong. I used to advocate 1 accountant to handle 5 engineers theory. So there arn’t much bucks to share around everybody in the financial world but only with the ones who managed to get in and get promoted.


  14. gbpdem Says:
    July 15th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    erh, what happened to the pilots?
    Don’t see it anywhere in top 100
    How is that possible?


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  16. superman Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    glaringly missing are the government jobs. statutory board senior officers should be clocking in more than 10k as well. let’s not forget our ministers who should be in the number one position.


  17. Myron Says:
    July 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    =.= 30k? Thats like. one year salary. =.=


  18. I need a compass Says:
    July 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Woah. 900mil is grossly a lot. It is like 3 generations of many families would not be able to amass that wealth.
    But, money is really not everything.
    Someone famous taught that if you give your best to do something you really love, people would recognise your skills and soon you would be able to earn money from those passions themselves. Take for eg: someone who loves skateboarding a lot and practises all the time, and becoming so good, he can end up becoming a sports brand ambassador or world performer etc.
    The sky’s the limit. If you are real good, people will beat a pathway to your door to get your service. It’s true.


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  20. Howcome Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    @”I need a compass”: true, but the challenge is to evaluate accurately, especially when you reach a plateau: will you break that by working harder/smarter, or you’ve reached the limit of your talent?
    Cos if we only talk about love, if you look at Karate or Boxing, so many people love them. But so few are world-class enough to actually make any living out of it. Last time in my dojo got a few guys who decide to “live the way of the fist”, and become a live-in student in the dojo.
    (This is why love for programming is good. You don’t have to be world class to earn a decent living.)


  21. dilemma Says:
    July 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Which Degree do/would u go for?

    Accounting & Finance, or Business Management?

    Why?


  22. passerby Says:
    July 29th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    hi dilemma, i am facing the same problem as u. either marketing& finance or accounting & finance. seems like accountants earn alot these days.


  23. Dude Says:
    July 31st, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Arrgh! This is really annoying! General surgeons are actually a type of specialized surgeon too, so what gives? And exactly what kind of specialized surgeon are they talking about? Cardiothoracic presumably, but maybe ophthalmologists? Also, what exactly is a “general physician”? A GP? Or a internist (i.e. general internal medicine specialist)? Damned non-medical types compiling data. In any case, I find it extraordinarily hard to believe that either would make more than anesthesiologists, obstetricians, dermatologists, radiologists and any number of other procedurists who aren’t on the list.


  24. I need a compass Says:
    August 5th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    To “How Come”.
    Very true. After thinking about what you posted. It does make sense to be careful about what you are passionate for. Certain passions bring you closer to financial riches, but certain passions may not necessarily let you be as well off so quickly. About all this moolah talk, ultimately, money can’t buy you peace and a good night’s sleep. So it better to earn the money with a guilt free conscience rather than being political and scheming about it to your colleagues. 2 cents worth.


  25. Howcome Says:
    August 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    But “I need a compass”, who says that earning more money has to mean “being political and scheming about it to your colleagues”? If you’re in the wrong job, it may be that you have to be political, scheming about it, and STILL not making a lot of money. If you’re doing it right, you can be rich, WITHOUT having to be political or whatnot.


  26. Little Says:
    August 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Dear Howcome, how I wish what you say is true.

    I don’t mean to disagree with you, just that my current predicament reflects the opposite of what you said. Apparently I did my job so well when my boss was MIA-ing (I covered her duty in her absence) that I receive several compliments from my clients. Unfortunately, my opportunity to shine was because of my boss laziness. And because she needs to cover up her MIA-ness, she played down the importance of my contribution, saying that the extra work I took up didn’t matter much, that she MIA during a time when there wasn’t alot of important stuff to do, which is really untrue because that was the peak season for our coverage. I worked like hell every day and my efforts were not recognized by her.

    The clients did emailed her good feedback on me but this turned out to have negative effect as she was jealous. U

    nfortunately for me, at the end of the day the one who decides my career progression and my bonus is my boss, and not the clients, even though some of these clients may be as senior as my boss.

    Therefore, I believe that even if you have the talent, you still need some political skills to get ahead. I don’t wish to agree with this either as I hate politics and I don’t like to get involve in politics, but I have to acknowledge this as truth, atleast from what I experienced.


  27. kp Says:
    August 25th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    If you haven’t already seen this website, it might be of interest to you, esp if you want to find out what the employees at big companies think about their employers: http://www.glassdoor.com

    Employees share their thoughts on their employers and, as will be of interest to the people here, information on their salaries.


  28. pix Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    you forgot to include one profession- being a minister. lol


  29. JT Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I am going to finish my A levels soon and wondering what kind of degree course should i take in university. Can someone give me some advice? I am currently considering either business, engineering or economics. I scored distinction in every subject and have done well in science olympiads and research attachments, but i somehow feel that science related jobs are not valued highly enough. And would a double degree give me any advantage in the future?


  30. insider Says:
    August 27th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    I’m a corporate lawyer whos only been working for slightly under 2 years.

    I honestly believe economics is the way to go in terms of the range of job options available for econs grads. Also, in terms of intellectual appeal and as an analytical tool, I can’t think of many disciplines that match it. I may be biased because of how I appreciate economic analysis, but I frankly wish I had taken economics at the uni.

    I suggest combining economics with some other discipline in a double degree programme, for maximum job opportunities and learning opportunities.

    Ultimately, industries wax and wane and its not always wise to pursue degrees because a particular industry is very hot or “it” (for e.g. the flood of ppl into engineering, biochemistry or finance at various stages of our country’s growth). Do something you enjoy and which stimulates you intellectually and the money will follow and if it takes a while, you are at least less bored than most of your peers.


  31. Lloyd Says:
    August 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Typically, how long does an engineer’s pay take to breach the 8k mark?

    Im in finance but have always been curious how slow it can get for these folks..


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  33. Jefefe Says:
    September 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    i noticed an interesting trend here, in SG,
    1st choice — get into work in Big MNC with big money
    2nd choice — get into goberment company earning stable salary and good bonus
    3rd choice — anyhow find a job relevant to your degree and start working
    4th choice — change field
    5th choice — own career ??

    In Taiwan, US and Korea
    1st Choice — starting up own business
    2nd Choice — starting up own business
    3rd Choice — starting up own business..

    Singapore was ranked first again as most business friendly country, whee is all the young, energetic technopreneur ?


  34. Vivi Says:
    September 16th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Hi There,

    Can someone tell me (anyone who is one now?) how much does a senior researcher in an executive search firm earn? Someone with >5 years experience in a top executive search firm?

    Thanks


  35. Nick Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Lloyd,I m an engineer in a MNC. My pay is $5K after 2 years. Fresh from uni with no job experience prior to that. Unless you are a investment banker or trader, otherwise, don’t talk big.


  36. 5m10y Says:
    September 20th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    That’s pretty good, Nick! Took me longer than that last time to get to 5k.


  37. mama Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    We all talk about people in banking earning big bucks and all that. But what i would like to know is how many people or percentange of people working in Singapore banks are really earning a lot (above 10k a month.) Anybody knows and care to inform?


  38. Nick Says:
    September 21st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    the argument about who earns more is never ending. Even if you say that engineers re getting 10K/mth, some cocky bankers will claim that they re earning 10 times of that amount. Ironically, I don’t see the lawyers and doctors coming to this forum to boast about how much they earn. No offence. I give lots of respect to certain professions like lawyers, investment bankers, traders and doctors. For all their capabilties and stress level, I think the high pay is well justified. But what I scorn is some personal banker, financial planner or banking operation analyst coming on to this forum to boast about their bright prospects in the financial arena. At the end of the day, there is no need to compare. If i m earning 10K/mth, i ll be very satisfied already. Coz it allows me to live the lifestyle I want. Let’s be clear about the objective of earning more.


  39. adiemuso Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am

    i agree with Nick.

    what is 10k/mth?

    if u have been seen enough, some guys make 10k per day. so what is 10k? its just a number, and making more money than the next doesnt makes you a superior or better person.

    its all relative. wake up.


  40. mama Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Yes, i agree there are people earning 10K/month and i have friends/acquaintances who earns that. I am only earning much less than 10k/month but i am happy even though i wish i was earning more. But what i was asking is the perentage…are the people in banks earning more than 10k per month or a mere 0.5% or 10%? Its just for curiousity sake.


  41. Ronaldo Says:
    September 24th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Hey Nick, given the global finanical climate, bankers at all levels up to private banking and investment and even financial planners are shaking in their pants.

    In the short term starting from now, the economic and financial climate globally, even in Singapore don’t look rosy but kinda bleak.

    Therefore for bankers to get a cosy pay like what some people suggested here, i.e. 10K per month is history.

    Personally i feel $10K SGD per month is very average. I am in the media industry and I am a Media Director in a global agency with portfolios in other scopes of work as well. I am getting approx $12K.

    I am reaching 28 years old and I have pals who are late 20s to early 30s who are earning in excess of $15K per month, with some of them very busy whereas others are relatively relaxed at work.

    My conclusion – people in banking industry are normal people working in other industries like operations, engineering and legal etc.

    Cheers
    Ron


  42. jefefe Says:
    September 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    “I am in the media industry and I am a Media Director in a global agency with portfolios in other scopes of work as well. I am getting approx $12K.”

    That is very very good package for a late 28s guy..

    i have a Master degree in Biomedical Engineering, i only earning 3k plus..

    The lesson i learn is, dun compare, compare only make u complain, complain lead to negative attitude, then u lose everything..

    hmmm… if i earn 12 k per month…muahahah


  43. adiemuso Says:
    September 24th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Ronaldo is missing my point.

    Statistics is a good gauge but not as a pinpoint.

    “My conclusion – people in banking industry are normal people working in other industries like operations, engineering and legal etc.”

    Firstly, you draw your conclusion from your pool of friends. Your sample size is restricted to those you know. But surveys have shown, on average, banking n financial is one of the best paymaster. So in terms of pay, people in banking n finance are a little better.

    Secondly, not too sure of the orientation of your slantedness or biasness, you seem to have an issue. Judging from your previous posts, it is difficult to take your words.

    Three, people whom I know, regards a monthly salary as a mere figure. So dont get overly fixated on that. Like I mentioned, getting 11k or 2k more does not equate to anything more than the extra renumeration you be receiving. Some folks draw 10k a month but is worth hundreds of million. So is a director drawing 12k per month “better” than those guys? I doubt so.

    I think it is neccessary for your comments to be sorted out and not be tinted with biasness. There are many people looking for decent advice here.

    For many years to come and to go, it is without doubt that banking and finace remains one of the best place to get good monthly pay. Of course there are fine prints and disclaimers. Just like how many creative or arty guys can be paid 12k per month.

    Endof the day, be true to yourself. Choose a job that your innerself calls for. Without passion, one can never go far.


  44. jma Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Hi everyone,

    I am 30, working in Malaysia. I am considering an opportunity in Singapore which I’m being headhunted for in one of the research/consulting firms eg. IDC, Gartner, Frost & Sullivan etc. as either a Senior Analyst or Account Manager. Two possible positions which they have earmarked me for. I’m just curious what would be the salary for such positions. Don’t want over demand or short change myself. Appreciate it if you guys could share your input. Thanks in advance.


  45. 5m10y Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 7:43 am

    jma, there are many salary research documents released on the internet.

    Also, as always, you should ask them what the ranges are for either position. They should be able to tell you.


  46. jefefe Says:
    September 25th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    i think Accountant manager is about 7~9k.


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  48. windwaver Says:
    October 6th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    14. Computer operations and network manager – $9,300

    I seriously doubt that figure. IT folks are one of the lowest paid ppl.


  49. hailey Says:
    October 9th, 2008 at 3:20 am

    hi, does anyone have any idea how much a interior designer earns in Singapore? I don’t see any design-related jobs in the list & I’m doubting my interest in interior design will suffice salary-wise when I graduate. Pls share your experience!


  50. andyseng Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    hi all,

    Can I check with you guys?

    I am 28 years old.

    Working as Business Director.

    Getting SGD$8,000 basic salary.

    Excluding bonus and commission

    Is it fair & competitive?

    Thank you

    seng


  51. andyseng Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Last thing to add.. average commission per month is $1k to 2k.

    so basic 8K + 1K commission (minimum) is SGD9K.

    Can anyone tell me if it’s competitive for my age?


  52. 5m10y Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    andyseng, “competitive” is a very vague word leh. If you use the salary comparison tool in this website, you’ll find that you’re near the top of the curve percentage wise. Is that “competitive”?

    On the other hand, I know quite a number of people who make around what you’re making at around the same age. So does it mean your salary is “competitive”?

    Also, Business Director is too vague to tell whether it’s competitive or not, since it’s just a title. It really depends on your industry, how it is doing at the moment, etc. etc.


  53. Ronaldo Says:
    October 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Professionals in the financial industries be it insurance agents, relationship managers, personal bankers, fiance directors are now facing salary cutbacks and bonus reductions, that is if their benefits haven’t already been cut.

    I have friends who are finance directors/CFOs and they are in their mid 30s and they get 12-15K average pay excluding other perks. Now some of them are facing cuts/reductions in their packages.

    It is now bygone days for finace professionals. This recession Singapore is in now will last 12 to 18 months. It will be tough times ahead for all, more so for these people.

    I am not worried because I have the capability, talent, knowhow, skills, work ethics and passion to be a profit centre for my company in the areas of my depatments.


  54. Underpaid Electronic Engineer Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Is the above ranking consider both senior & junior positions?
    May I ask that I am the 100th electronic engineer with monthly 3.2k, is underpaid right?


  55. 5m10y Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I suppose it’s the average. How senior are you?


  56. Ronaldo Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Looks like I am on the 6th on the list .. on gross levels

    Company director – $15,513


  57. bizzy Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    just to add…
    i am a doctor who has graduated for nearly 10 years and have also obtained my specialist qualifications.
    I spent about S$10 to S$12k per year for medical sch tuition fees (that means 5 years x S$10-12k/year). So i spent the first few years of my working life paying off bank loans.
    Now my basic salary is about S$8k. I feel overworked and underpaid =(


  58. to dr bizzy Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    dear bizzy, fret not. in no time you’ll have your own private practice and get to spend quality time doing things that you enjoy. there are no poor doctors. even GPs make at least double or triple the average income.


  59. High-Flyer Says:
    October 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Folks, seems to me your jobs are just about earning pieces of papers to buy blocks of concrete
    and metal pieces with wheels. I fly commercially for a living, and honestly, I would still do it for less money:)
    Perks of the job are priceless: no boss, no meetings, travelling, girls, nice hotels, exotic food. Hell, work seems like holidaying, making off days so boring.
    How valuable are pieces of money if you do not use them? How valuable are multiple properties if you can only sleep in one bed each night?
    Thank goodness I am not in this crippling rat races of “rich people”. Haha.


  60. everbody noticed Says:
    October 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Ronaldo Says:

    October 12th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    Looks like I am on the 6th on the list .. on gross levels

    Company director – $15,513

    … No, u are nowhere on the list cos u r a fake.


  61. Ronaldo Says:
    October 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    everbody noticed – if u think im lying, its up to u.

    theres no reason why i should lie..

    cheers!


  62. everbody noticed Says:
    October 15th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Ronaldo Says:

    October 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    Professionals in the financial industries be it insurance agents, relationship managers, personal bankers, fiance directors are now facing salary cutbacks and bonus reductions, that is if their benefits haven’t already been cut.

    I have friends who are finance directors/CFOs and they are in their mid 30s and they get 12-15K average pay excluding other perks. Now some of them are facing cuts/reductions in their packages.

    It is now bygone days for finace professionals. This recession Singapore is in now will last 12 to 18 months. It will be tough times ahead for all, more so for these people.

    I am not worried because I have the capability, talent, knowhow, skills, work ethics and passion to be a profit centre for my company in the areas of my depatments.

    If u can lie about your age.. 1981 or 1980(can quote that also if u want me to..), u can lie about any other thing.
    U idiotic jerk. There’s a reason why u should lie, cos u r born to do so. OR u are a nobody living in a fantasy world with all your fantasy rich friends. All your posts are full of self-praise and about how great u are.. U are just a fake retard filled with nonsense.

    cheers to u! (but i think u r drunk)


  63. mama Says:
    October 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Hi Ronaldo,

    I am here to help you now (which i think you desperately need).
    Instead of letting everyone look down on you, or thinking you are just a fake who talks big only, why dont you present something like some evidence to prove all of us wrong. Then we will all say sorry to you.


  64. Ronaldo Says:
    October 16th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Whatever people think or specifically what everbody noticed thinks, i leave it up to them.

    I don’t have to prove to anyone except myself and all my friends who know me.

    The fact is if I were to go around showing off my salary package, car and whatever that I have, then people will be convinced but in retrospect they will feel deeply jealous like everbody noticed and begin to dislike me.

    They dislike me because they cannot afford what i can afford and earn what i earn.

    It is basic human nature in people with regards to being envious and jealous of what other people have.

    Personally, i am very envious of my friends who owns ferraris and earn high salaries – Singapore $20K and above per month.

    Envious will lead to jealous and deep set jealousy.

    There’s no point in being jealous like everbody noticed because if you cannot afford the fast cars, girls, cash .. then don’t afford it…

    until you can afford it when u have earned a level of salary and comfort.. like me.

    If i have to, I will give everbody noticed a whiff of my exhaust smoke from my smoking white Maserati GranTurismo S..

    mY NUMBER PLATE FOR 4D – SFN83R


  65. everbody noticed Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    ronaldo Says:

    May 26th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    Hey David Seah,

    you said you can make a couple of millions in just 3 years, so surely your package is much higher than me. so why say i put words in your mouth, saying you make higher than me.

    it may be true you play golf like CEOs every afternoon, waiting for a phone call. so what? i dont really care. u have your life to lead and i have mine to lead.

    if people here are making lesser amounts than you are, please stop boasting that you can make $3 million in 3 years and you are very well insured with a 7 figure sum guranteed. Lesser people here might get their self-esteem crushed and more depressed hearing you boast so much like a cock. some of them might even get annoyed and angry at your arrogant comments you make about yourself.

    Even though u can make more than me, I dont really care. I am 28 this year and i am fairly contented with my pay, bonus and perks. You can pilot a plane, no big shit. My friend who is only 25 years owns a company that manufactures and sells yachts and speedboats from Chong Qing China and I can ride his ships FOC. He is the kind of people I hang out with. He too is like you no need to work in office, because he works as a life planner in Great Eastern but got promoted to Associate Manager within 7 months only, and owns the yacht company as a CEO, and also helps his family with his jewlery business. He can as and when take his time and space to work.

    I may have to go to office to work and I am helping my friend as a Marketing Director for his yacht company and working on weekends too. But i am happy with all my benefits and pay i get. Because i just bought a BMW Z4 for $205, 000 and I can afford it.

    Whether you believe i am who i am is up to you. But now i can HA HA HA to you. Because I think my future is very bright at only 28 years old. And i can afford most things in life i might want now.

    Ron

    O My God…. U really are damn rich. U can buy Z4 for cash & u have a maserati (maybe in your playstation world)…

    What next? merc slr maclaren with lewis ham as your driver?

    Then it’s Ferrari ENzo with Kimi as your driver..?

    The number plate that u gave is also bogus, just like u

    …i’m tired of entertaining u, good bye and go enjoy your cash.

    (BTw, u can’t decide which yr u were born… HAHA)


  66. Worsty Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Except that almost every tricked up WRX, Evos, Civics etc are faster than your car at 1/4 the price. In fact, even my ‘lao pok qia’ (compared to your supposed car)is faster.

    In anycase, if you can afford a GranTurismo S, you should be able to afford a Ferrari isn’t it? The difference in instalment is only a few hundred a month or even lower if you get the F430 and that is an even faster car than the GranTurismo S.

    But seriously, if you really are earning the money you’re exclaiming, don’t be stupid wasting it on such cars. After deducting your monthly instalment and maintenance, you’re left with not alot of money. Would also expect your lifestyle to be such where you’ll open a few bottles of pol roger a week, a few dinners at places like the cliff,il-lido etc and you’ll be left with not alot of money to spend on girls and other passive source of investments. However, if you’re an ‘ah sia kia’ and don’t need to help support a family, get his own place etc then it’s a different story altogether.

    It’ll also do you some good to spend some of your pay at http://www.britishcouncil.org/singapore.htm to improve on your english. :)


  67. Worsty Says:
    October 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    @everbody noticed

    Give him the benefit of a doubt lah, monthly instalment + maintenance for both the Z4 and GranTurismo S is only about 5-7k a month assuming 10 yr 90% loan so he’ll still have a few thousand left to play around with after deducting CPF,accuring for income tax,normal living expenses etc. But then again, he’ll be left with little spare cash considering how expensive it is to treat Alzheimer’s in Singapore.


  68. the truth! Says:
    October 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Is this for starting salary? or average? or what? There can never be a sensible list of these things because the field is so wide.

    Managing Director? This is so vague. MNC? SME? Investment bank? Private bank? MD of hospital? Law firm? Hawker Centre MD? What?????

    Doctor starting pay working in govt hospital pulling barely $4,000-5,000/month.

    Lawyer starting pay for A&G is already $7,000/month. This is for fresh lawyer who just passed the Bar, at most 22, 23 y.o.

    A&G lawyer at 30 years old is already earning average $300k a year, medical specialist in govt practice at 30 years old still under $10,000/month ($120,000 pa), half of lawyer.

    After that, if make equity partner (profit share), income can shoot up to $700k a year. Lucien Wong makes how many frigging million a year? And he is Managing Director.

    In contrast, ask a junior partner at Lee & Lee how much (haha) he or she makes. Apparently the Lee’s money-making talent never rubbed off on their lawyers.


  69. Ronaldo Says:
    October 20th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    the truth! >> this puts me at a low level . . .


  70. Des Says:
    October 21st, 2008 at 12:48 am

    whats the range for a Diploma holder with 2 yrs experience, regional exposure in MNC company, working as a Business analyst?

    Anyone? ;)


  71. 5m10y Says:
    October 21st, 2008 at 7:43 am

    The range is whatever the market will pay you. I’d suggest going for interviews and find out. Whatever range other people is telling you is rather useless unless they happen to be in the same domain, the same kind of company, and even the same background as you are.


  72. soon to come Says:
    October 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    I’m s/w engineer + MBA in marketing + 4 year experience in automobile marketing. How much should I earn in a large auto brand in Singapore? Also what hierarchy level should I expect?


  73. Des Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am

    business systems analyst, 2 yrs experience. going into a new industry – shipping/logistics. Currently drawing $2.6K, Diploma.

    What range should i be looking at?


  74. Des Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am

    business systems analyst, 2 yrs experience. going into a new industry – shipping/logistics. Currently drawing $2.6K, Diploma.

    What range should i be looking at?


  75. mama Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    i am in the oilfield services industry. Anyone here also in it? looking at the fall in oil prices, does anyone know who it will affect the dynamics of this industry?


  76. game1980 Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I am a doctor who earns 4k a month after graduating in 2006. Luckily, I was giving tuiton during medical school days and now have paid off my loan.
    I have no car and lives with parents.
    The key is not just how much you earn but how much you spend.
    I hope all of you can tide over the financial crisis and I now am glad that doctors are recession proof.


  77. treble Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    i work in a public service stat board for about 2.5 years ready.. earning abt $3.6k a month… not a lot, comparing what my peers are earning as lawyers and bankers….


  78. 5m10y Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Yeah… very good right? Everytime I go to doctor always got such a long queue. I wonder how come there are so many sick people always.

    Now with recession, I’m sure you guys will get even better business… good for you.


  79. ron Says:
    October 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    I am R&D engineer (mechanical) working in an MNC earning 5.2k a month. I am 30+ with a PhD degree and 3 yrs experience. Does this sounds OK?


  80. KUNAL Says:
    October 24th, 2008 at 6:33 am

    Hi Guys,

    Just wanted your expert opinion. I am looking for job opps in Pharmaceutical Companies.

    I am a Phd in Medicinal Chemistry.

    I wonder what pay-package I should expect and what are the opportunities?


  81. SignDat Says:
    October 24th, 2008 at 7:28 am

    Do biology related jobs in Singapore gets paid well?


  82. BH Says:
    October 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Hi All,

    I have been working in an MNC ( semiconductor industry) for 3 yrs now and i am only paid 3K. I have bachelors in engineering from local uni. And i am in the company since graduation 3 yrs back.
    I feel i am underpaid as per the market stds…can someone enlighten me….


  83. Underpaid Electronic Engineer Says:
    October 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    54. Underpaid Electronic Engineer Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Is the above ranking consider both senior & junior positions?
    May I ask that I am the 100th electronic engineer with monthly 3.2k, is underpaid right?

    55. 5m10y Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I suppose it’s the average. How senior are you?

    /***********************************/
    Sorry for late reply. I have 3 years experience.
    /***********************************/


  84. medical offiicer Says:
    October 25th, 2008 at 1:24 am

    thanx for the topic ,

    but i am wandering , can any one mention the salary of medical officer ( internal medicine) , with 3-5 years experience + MRCP 1 , as i was not able to get any hint so far

    thanxxxxxxxxxxxx


  85. Ronaldo Says:
    October 25th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    how old are you BH ?


  86. hrq29 Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    79: Your pay is good.

    80: 4-5k per month excluding bonus and allowance


  87. christine Says:
    November 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Ronaldo, I don’t think your pay or your job would be immune to recession. After the finance sector get hit, the commerce sector is next. In times like this, a company cuts its marketing budget severely – where is your global agency going to get the business to sustain your high salary??? You may be the best Media Director in the world but you may also be over-priced. So are all your friends. Lets see whether you still can brag about your pay come 2009. btw, you would also turn 29, one year closer to the grave. Who’s going to care how much you earn at 28 at your deathbed?


  88. Neutral Says:
    November 3rd, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Hi Christine, if I am not wrong, I think why Ronaldo is having high salary is because he work for his friend. If his friend survive, he will survive. The owner of the company can wish to give his employee any amount for their salary.

    As long as you are in the “King’s” relative line, you can even don’t do any work but draw high salary in the “King’s” company.


  89. christine Says:
    November 3rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Neutral, if that’s the case, then Ronaldo has no right to say that “I am not worried because I have the capability, talent, knowhow, skills, work ethics and passion to be a profit centre for my company in the areas of my depatments.”


  90. PVD Says:
    November 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Best paying job is Bunker clerk, no need education , 1 month easily 100-200k USD.


  91. christine Says:
    November 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    PVD, ahem, pls verify your source. Not sure if you know what you are talking about. If true, might as well everyone stops studying and go become bunker clerks.


  92. Nim Says:
    November 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Can anyone suggest me the acceptable salary for a chartered Accountant from India with 4 years of experience. The company is providing furnished accomodation , car & medical facilities separately.


  93. Leslie Says:
    November 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    hi, I am a video editor (tv commercial, online), is the salary posted their accurate? I am planning to work in singapore, so i need to know the range of the salary. Does that include project incentives? I have 1.5 years experience, and i the salary range I gave to the one I am applying to is S$4000-S$5000 (but depends if its fixed salary or with projec incentives) Is this just fair or still low?


  94. Ronaldo Says:
    November 8th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    christine >>

    The reason why I can get what I am getting is because i am good and I have proven myself with results to show for it.

    I can’t count myself as overpriced but instead maybe underpriced. I expect higher salary.

    I am young and I know i can go higher from where i am now in terms of position and renumeration.

    Honestly, I am not afraid of being asked to go. I have exit plans and I can easily go to other agencies because I have already been offered packages.

    Should you or anyone else trust what I said?

    My answer to that is why should I care? I am fairly happy where I am now and I only prove to myself and no one else.

    If you think you are as good, you will already know it in your heart.

    The fact of the matter is you know you are not.

    And thats why your remarks seethe with so much jealousy and enviousness.

    Cheers
    Ron!


  95. Ronaldo Says:
    November 8th, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Even big local banks like DBS are retrenching 900 staff in Spore and HK. Goldman Sachs Group as well.

    The glory days of bankers are bygones.

    If experienced bankers can get average pays of 4-5 K, they should already count themselves lucky.

    For fresh graduates, many remain unemployed and even the lucky ones can only get 2-3K max.

    Ron


  96. Dorothea Says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Hi all. I am a medical student. I am wondering what will be the economic outlook of my life if i am to obtain a degree in econs or management and switch to perhaps management instead of training to become a specialist.

    This is because I feel that although training to be a specialist can earn a large sum of money, the cash would only flow in at perhaps 40 years old which means another 15+ years of hard reading/studying and licking boots to climb up the pecking order, especially when the government departments have a bureacratic hierachy in place, meaning you attain certain positions at a certain age and you cant really jump the queue no matter how good you are. (to a certain extent)

    So again, my question is, can i beat a specialist in terms of pay 1. in the short run? (first 10 years) 2. in the long run (after first 10 years).

    Let us assume that my ability in being a specialist or a CEO of a hospital is equal AND my enjoyment of both career paths are equal.

    All opinions are very much welcomed although it would be best if u can answer the question directly instead of beating around the bush regarding interest/enjoyment/contentment/calling/divine intentions/etc etc. This is because I signed up to be a doc only cos i enjoy helping pple but i realise alot of friends who are getting their degrees in economics will soon be receiving a starting pay double to triple of mine.

    Now although I dun regret my position, it wouldnt be unfair to say that I would like to feel that I deserve a starting pay equal to theirs for all the hard work I put into my studies, especially since some of these classmates are people I beat repeatedly in exams during my JC days. (sorry if i sound obnoxious, i certainly dun mean to do it.)

    Again, if I offend anybody pls pardon me >.


  97. Dorothea Says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Sorry, to clarify, I am studying in Singapore, and I’m refering to friends who are studying in various “top” universities in the UK such as Cambridge and LSE.


  98. Dorothea Says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    And yes, I mean getting a 2nd degree in management/econs IN ADDITION to my MBBS (the doctor degree).

    Thanks :) Really appreciate any knowledge that anyone can share.


  99. not bad oledi Says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    that’s a lot of studying……….


  100. fx Says:
    November 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    i pity engineers..


  101. andyseng Says:
    November 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Hi, can anyone here advise how much would a Business Development Director for companies in fashion apparel get?


  102. Qster Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    Bunkering clerk is indeed earning around 100k per month. They are not listed because the money they earned are from corruption. Seen so many clerks driving LUXURY cars and surveyors driving Bimmers… Think about it… =)


  103. christine Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Well Qster, there are many jobs in the world that can earn tons of money through crime and corruption, including corporate procurement directors and Somalian pirates. We are talking about decent jobs here, jobs that won’t land you with a life sentence or capital punishment….think about it.


  104. not bad oled Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    maybe he’s one of them? ^^


  105. Qstero Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Hey christine, don’t get offended. I’m just enlightening you and there are such jobs with these pays. Good day guys.


  106. sugar Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Hey Christine, i agree with Qstero. There are many many normal decent jobs that pay such salary. And many of them are in only their 30s. and many of these jobs are not even bank related. For eg, my cousin (32 yrs old) who is doing sales (won’t specify wat) is earning more than 20k per month every month for the past 2 years. He just bought a brand new BMW 6 series.


  107. High-Flyer Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    No need to enlighten us with anything. Because opinions are cheap and freely given out, unless validated. Substantiate with facts, please.

    For e.g. I also know a person (won’t specify who) who is working (won’t specify where) earning a lot (won’t specify how much), and he just bought something (won’t specify what).

    Good day folks.


  108. sugar Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    To high flyer, this is in a way a sort of forum. Of coz i am not going to list names of people or companies or salaries of specific positions. I am just telling you what i know. So you can choose to believe what i say in this forum or believe i am talking rubbish. How do you want me to validate? Scan someone payslip and post it here? or say something like ” I know a person who is working in citibank who is a manager who is earning 20k and he bought a BMW 7 series” I have specified everything. Is this validation? Or is this just something that i know?


  109. jianqi Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    ladies and gentlemen,
    do you guys know whether it is better to work as a chemical engineer or on finance careers?
    I am currently studying in chemical engineering now in polytechnic, but I hope to know more then maybe I can get to change to finance side in University.
    Regards.


  110. Nick Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    dorothea, you claimed that you studied medicine to help people. But the thoughts that you penned do not suggest so. I think some of us are pretty sick of trying too hard to defend professions like doctors and engineers. Salary wise, you may not match some of your friends working in banks etc. But at least for myself, I respect doctors more than bankers. I don’t really hold people who work only for the money in high regards. Not trying to say that money is not important. But I sincerely think that if you are really good, you ll excel in any profession. But I think it is not right to jump the sequence and think about which profession will give you the most money instead of first thinking what you are good at and how can you contribute to the society. I like to use the example of driving on the road. I drive a picanto. And on the road, I’ve met many luxurious cars drivers who behave very snobbishly and have no regards for the safety of others. But to me, it doesn’t matter. I don’t give a damn to whether you are driving an audi or merc. If I’ve the right of way, I ll change lane or do whatever I should be doing. Don’t expect me to be a coward and submit to your ridiculous and reckless driving. Coz if you were to really bump into my back etc, be prepared to pay for the damage or face the judgement of law. My advice is: Be yourself and do what is right. Don’t be swayed by others just because you hear how much Tom or Dick is earning in the banks. Btw, hope that you know that most of the major financial institutions are in deep shit. A good reflection of their wonderful management abilities. :D


  111. Rueben Says:
    November 20th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Well Nick,in as much as you have a point there,there’s the reality that salary has to commensurate with the amount of work put into getting the degree. At the end of the end the person wants to be recognised for his efforts(and talent in this case),be it through a fat pay cheque for instance.There is only so long that a passion can be sustained. It is a romantic fallacy to expect every medical student to be medicine sans frontieres material.Thankfully,the scope of her job is as such,regardless of her private intentions,under her,lives will still be saved and the ill will continue to be treated.

    And we cannot undervalue that.

    P/S,I must admit that the career path that Dorothea has conceived is rather vicious(although not very alarming),ie,how to get to the top of the ladder within the shortest amount of time.

    As he was ambitious, I slew him(Brutus,Julius Caesar Scene II)

    Let us not slew the societal good derived in our pursuit of self righteousness.

    Nil Sine Labore


  112. Dr.Pooja Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 3:13 am

    Hi cn u please tell me wht are scopes of dentist in Singapore.. I have a yr experience & dentist fmr india.. wht are scopes & hw easy to fidn a job??


  113. vg Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    hello,

    I’m s/w engineer + MBA + 5+ year experience in IT dev and consulting. How much can i expect in IT consulting/sales roles?
    i am planning to move to singapore and in the process of applying for jobs.


  114. Anonymous Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Dr Pooja,
    Scopes are what medical doctors hang around their necks to look important. Unfortunately I believe dentists do not use scopes. Maybe scalers, drills, chisels, forceps, but not scopes. Hope this answers your question.
    regards
    A


  115. Driscoll Says:
    November 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Re: 80 “Just wanted your expert opinion. I am looking for job opps in Pharmaceutical Companies.
    I am a Phd in Medicinal Chemistry.
    I wonder what pay-package I should expect and what are the opportunities?”

    Someone suggested 4-5k. I think this is too low. Postdocs in state research institute are earning salaries in that range (sometimes more), and pharmas will of course typically pay much more, which is also the case for several people who quit our place to go to a Big Pharma co. Also, medicinal chemistry is a pretty good speciality for pharma companies. Aim higher than 4-5k.


  116. Sir Roy Says:
    November 30th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    huh? Where is pilot?


  117. Thomas Says:
    December 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    hey! I am considering whether to take on a bioengineering course or business accounting course in university. Which of the above will have a better job prospect/ higher salary? Anyone can share some insights on this? Thanks!

    Cheers


  118. ex-engineer Says:
    December 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    thomas, take accounting. read this:
    http://www.salary.sg/2008/engineering-and-technology-careers-are-not-valued-singapore-is-high-cost-low-tech/
    nothing against engineering, just that it’s just not worth it to be an engineer in singapore.
    or, take engineering but get a sales or management job in an engineering firm.
    don’t ever be an engineer in singapore.
    and always ignore those hypes, eg life sciences in recent years (heard anything about it lately?), civil engineering and electronics in the last decade or two.


  119. Thomas Says:
    December 9th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Hi, ex-engineer,

    Thanks a lot! let’s say if i were to take up business accounting,can you name a few specific areas i can venture into which will provide a bright future?


  120. ex-engineer Says:
    December 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    join the big 4 accounting firms and work your way up (or is it now 3 or 2?). Much brighter future than the always-lowly engineers in singapore.


  121. Freddy Says:
    December 13th, 2008 at 1:23 am

    hi guys, anyone can advise how much a marketing manager with 5 years experience can get?

    i have experience in marketing of consumer products (Daikin) and i am looking at similar portfolio of work.

    Pls advise anyone?

    Thanks
    Freddy


  122. oinks Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I currently work as a marketing manager, and earn $5700 per month. I am 26 this year and have 3 years working experience. Am I doing ok?


  123. meow Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    oinks, i think they overpay you. it will be extremely hard for you to get another job after getting the sack. maybe you should offer to cut your pay so that (1) you won’t be retrenched and (2) you can get a better paying job after leaving. for a marketing manager with only 3 years, i would say $2500 is reasonable.


  124. oinks Says:
    December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Are you basing it on the old theme, older is better formula? It was a general question and I genuinely was looking for a factual answer, hence a simple yes or no would suffice. So pussycat, stick to your 2500 = 3 years experience theme, whilst I bask in my 5700 salary. The world is unfair I know, but you can always be a little less pathethic. Nontheless, your input is still appreciated, because some people are born with class, and others, well, they’re just the others.


  125. Anonymous Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Pig: If you wanted a factual answer, ask a factual question. There is no Yes and No answer. I know of 26 year old lawyers making three times your salary and I also know of 32 year old programmers making half what you’re making. So what’s your point here? I seriously wonder who’s the pathetic one here, especially if you need validation from an online forum as to whether you were doing ok or not.


  126. oinks Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Dear Anonymous, I am certain you neither fall into the 26 year old lawyer category nor make half as much as the 32 year old programmer. You probably need more validation than me, since you decided my query equated to a need for validation. Am I doing ok? It is easier to say yes or no without the need for these endless monologues which we are engaging in. Hence, Anonymous, seek an identity and try to live it. For at least the pig, it oinks.


  127. Anonymous Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    Pig: At least you’re right on one count, that is I don’t fall into either category. And I don’t make what you make. But it’s not about me, isn’t it? If you need constant reassurance that you’re doing ok, you’re probably NOT doing ok. If you can be happy with what you have, the absolute amount you make doesn’t really matter anymore.


  128. sugar Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    Pig: Please don’t be another Ronaldo. You are starting to be irritating


  129. oinks Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    One single question is a constant reassurance?
    People on this forum are really touchy and on edge about everything, eh’. Anonymous, it was never about you, it was all about ME, since I asked the single question, didn’t I, untill you decided to spew at it with your anecdotes. Who cares about you?

    The way I look at it, I asked what I did, only because, I wanted to know where I stand. At the end of the day, you said your piece and I said mine. Truce, its Christmas, for pete’s sake.

    Now, as for sugar, you can always CHOOSE NOT to read any of my replies. This my dear is freedom of choice. I cannot be another Ronaldo, because I am a mere female whom refuses to be stepped down by commoners whom are old fad with their measuring of my abilities in correspondence to my experience.


  130. adiemuso Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    oinks…u sound like ronaldo…

    even if u are not…my word of advice…some things change, some things dun.

    man fall with their pride and greed.

    as for you package, yes u are doing quite well nowhere near the bottom nowhere near the top either.


  131. oinks Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Thank you adiemuso. That ia all I needed to know. Alas, someone speaks with sense.


  132. Goodie Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    “Alas”? Why are you saddened with somebody speaking sense?


  133. oinks Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    For the fact that it took senseless monologues for a sensible person to be discovered.


  134. Ronaldo Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    i am only 28 (almost) and my pay is approx. $15,000.

    $12,000 basic + commissions of approx 2-3K + ENT of 1K.

    Am I doing ok for a 28 years old?

    Let me know anyone?

    I think my pay is low becoz i have frens in advertising earning >$15K to 20K though they are about 30-33 years old.

    Anyone like to share their opinions?

    Ron


  135. adiemuso Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    ronaldo..u r doing good..but more good if you can do more charity..good if you have done..but theres always room for more..for a start try not to flaunt during bad times..it helps..
    btw..u n oinks make a good pair..the phrasing are about identical..perhaps long lost twins?

    Oink”
    December 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
    Am I doing ok?”

    Ron”
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    Am I doing ok for a 28 years old?”


  136. oinks Says:
    December 16th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    I see the similarity, but I am sure we are miles apart. For starters, I would not be ignorant enough to ask anybody, if a 28 year old whom makes 15k monthly is doing ok?

    Infact, I would not even be on a forum, but I don’t.

    Ronaldo, you know you are doing good and it seems mildly insane-like for you to answer your own questions.

    “I think my pay is low becoz i have frens in advertising earning >$15K to 20K though they are about 30-33 years old.”

    Henceforth, Ronaldo, since you earn that much, you may stuff it in everyone’s arse cracks for all I care, but please on a cyber platform, where faces are masked and personalities are determined by monologues, I am sure we all have better things to do.

    And I hope to God, you do.


  137. 5m10y Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    This link should be helpful to decide if you’re doing OK or not: http://www.salary.sg/2008/compare-your-annual-salary-2008/

    Last time I remember there’s a post that allows you to compare yourself to the people in your age group as well, but I can’t find it for some reason, and I don’t think there’s a 2008 version. Admin?


  138. rueben Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    don’t be hating,this forum was supposed to just be frivolous indulgence, was it?


  139. Amanda Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Hi Everyone.

    I’m currently hoping to pursue a degree and a career in Law, specialising in Criminal Law.

    I’m interested to know how much is the pay range of a fresh graduate and a newbie in the Law sector in Singapore.

    Your help will definitely be appreciated.

    Thanks!


  140. rueben Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    my understanding has it that a top pupil (dean’s list material) at a big4 law firm pulls about 7.2k.

    An average pupil (second class) would draw about $3.5 to $4.5.

    comments anyone?


  141. admin Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    5m10y, are you referring to this one:
    http://www.salary.sg/2008/compare-your-income-by-age-gender/


  142. 5m10y Says:
    December 17th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Thank you admin! That’s the one :)


  143. low-paid Says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    the truth! Says:
    October 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Is this for starting salary? or average? or what? There can never be a sensible list of these things because the field is so wide.

    Managing Director? This is so vague. MNC? SME? Investment bank? Private bank? MD of hospital? Law firm? Hawker Centre MD? What?????

    Doctor starting pay working in govt hospital pulling barely $4,000-5,000/month.

    Lawyer starting pay for A&G is already $7,000/month. This is for fresh lawyer who just passed the Bar, at most 22, 23 y.o.

    A&G lawyer at 30 years old is already earning average $300k a year, medical specialist in govt practice at 30 years old still under $10,000/month ($120,000 pa), half of lawyer.

    After that, if make equity partner (profit share), income can shoot up to $700k a year. Lucien Wong makes how many frigging million a year? And he is Managing Director.

    THIS IS TOTAL RUBBISH. Lawyers in A&G don’t get this sort of starting pay.


  144. Amanda Says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Hey rueben!

    Thanks for the information :)

    I’ll have to work very hard ^^


  145. rueben Says:
    December 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    I’d have to also.I will see you if you’re reading law at nus next year, cheers.


  146. Dolly Says:
    December 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Just wonder why Principal Investigator in UNI was not in the list.. I think their starting is 8k.. and when they worked for 5-10 years, the range can from 10-20k per month. I think there are still lots of professional jobs missed out in this statistic.


  147. rueben Says:
    December 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    you might want to note that president or minister are also not included.


  148. Ronaldo Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Have ourselves a MERRY LITTLE CHRISTMAS.. :)

    I GOT MY 13TH MONTH AWS + JUST CONFIRMED FROM MY BOSSES MY 2 MONTH BONUSES ..

    :( though i was expecting 3 months additional bonuses, 2 months should work just as well ..


  149. Goodie Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    You got your raise to 15k or not? Or still 12k?


  150. lost Says:
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Hi people, I will be graduating next semester and would am interested to know how much is the starting pay for a fresh grad with honours in chemistry? i heard that in the research field, honours degree is not enough.. what is the max salary an honours graduate can draw after working for many years?


  151. Goodie Says:
    December 24th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    Good luck Colt. He just got 3 months bonus, shouldn’t be a problem for him to compensate you :P


  152. rueben Says:
    December 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    right and when will this masquerade cease?if the colt’s identity is wholly maintained by one person,then he is simultaneously a freshly minted high schooler(18) who owns a car, and works at an electrical company(senior enough to warrant an email address) and gives posers like ‘is getting a MBA is worth the extra school’?

    whatever the case,daring the link between vandalism to arrogance on an online forum is mildly amusing.colt,do update us on the course of action with your lawyers (thats if you have any)


  153. Goodie Says:
    December 24th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    yeah exactly :) online masquerade is fun isn’t it? :P


  154. Wai Tat Says:
    January 18th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    hi,

    i am currently working in an adverterising branding agency and i am 27 years old, drawing S$7,500 a month net pay.

    I am looking for a similar role with higher pay, ranging from 9K net a month.

    Reason is becuase I think i am undersalaried.

    Is it possible for anyone to suggest any type of companies who can afford this wage level?


  155. Rabba Leong Says:
    January 18th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Maybe 2k now for chemistry grad.

    eAiya go sell backside better


  156. CJ Says:
    January 18th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Wai Tat, plenty. but probably you are not ready if you dont know which are the ones.


  157. Ronaldo Says:
    January 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Goodie:

    Yes and gross total is $15 excluding all allowances

    I thanks myself for having the ability and skills to perform very well and deliver results.

    I am 28 years and I will work smarter.


  158. Goodie Says:
    January 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Good! Finally something new. It would be tiresome to hear another year of your 12k, 28yr, 12k, 28yr, 12k, 28yr again.

    Now all of us at salary.sg can look forward to another year of that new 28yr, 15k mantra of yours. I hope you’ll turn 29 soon too, so change a bit to 29yr, 15k lah, to make it a bit less boring.

    Then we can move to 18k, 30yr, 18k, 30yr, 18k, 30yr in 2010. Seems you’re on the right track. Kudos!


  159. Capt. Thum Ban Shii Says:
    January 23rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I am suprise in the 2008 ranking that ship master salary (rank no:17) is not updated. Now the salary of ship master for Filipino, my company is paying USD 7,500 per month, equivalent to S$10,875 per month.
    While for Singaporean and Malaysian, we are paying USD 9,500 per month, equivalent to S$13,775. One year work 8 months onboard and rest 4 months. Salary 12 months + 1 month AWS + 3 months bonus. If include bonus and AWS, it will come to S$18,366 per month for Singaporean and Malaysian. This salary is apply to container ship, tankers and AHT. For chemical tanker and LNG, salary will be 30% higher. Further, working onboard Singapore flag ship, all salary is tax exempted. I am welcome more Singaporean to go to sailing. Note: If any Singaporean or Malaysian possess COC class 1 foreign going, please kindly contact myself at 90060124, We are recruiting with AHT exprience.


  160. Sailing job Says:
    January 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Captain Thum, I do not have any AHT experience, but I’m willing to learn. Do you offer any training programmes?


  161. Ronaldo Says:
    January 24th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Goodie – I’m glad what I am receiving this amount in times like this.

    How about you? Care to advise?

    haha


  162. Goodie Says:
    January 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Ronnie, *of course* somebody like *you* will be glad lah! :) Good for you!

    What about me? This is about you and sharing your 15k, 28yrs mantra for the world, man.

    Seriously, especially during this troubled times, people desperately NEED somebody like you who is only 28 yrs old and yet earns 15k to tell us how happy and contented you are. The more repetitions the better!

    Looking forward to many years more of your repetitive updates! I can chart it off already, 30yrs, 18k, 31yrs, 21k, 32 yrs, 24k… Keep it up dude!
    P.S.: You can probably request salary.sg admin (nicely!) to write a script to automate your message to save some work!


  163. Blessed Says:
    January 24th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Hi,

    In 2008, I was working in an account manager in a online publishing company – salary package of $75k per year. (75% fixed, 25% variable)

    Now, I am working also as an account manager in a consulting company – salary package of $190k per year (70% fixed, 30% variable)

    I am blessed to have such an employer now although the nature of both the jobs are similar.


  164. 5m10y Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Blessed, that is excellent indeed. Just goes to prove that if one keeps actively looking and doesn’t let himself to be limited by his own notion of how much one is supposed to earn, there’s _always_ a way.


  165. David Seah Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    High-Flyer Says:

    October 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
    Folks, seems to me your jobs are just about earning pieces of papers to buy blocks of concrete
    and metal pieces with wheels. I fly commercially for a living, and honestly, I would still do it for less money:)
    Perks of the job are priceless: no boss, no meetings, travelling, girls, nice hotels, exotic food. Hell, work seems like holidaying, making off days so boring.
    How valuable are pieces of money if you do not use them? How valuable are multiple properties if you can only sleep in one bed each night?
    Thank goodness I am not in this crippling rat races of “rich people”. Haha.

    Well said High-flyer, all the very best and safe flying.

    I fly VIPs commercially too with a global private firm. Cheers


  166. David Seah Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    To Ronaldo,

    I was away for some time flying VIPs around the world and just got back home after my tour of duty.

    You are still talking and boasting about your 12K media director job ??? Get a life buddy !!! So many other readers can see through your Big Loop hole. Why not go and ask local KTV singers and escorts how much they make a mth ??? Your 12K are peanuts !!!! Wake up from your rich dream.


  167. High-Flyer Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Thanks David Seah;

    Gong Xi Fa Cai to you, & safe flying too. You are certainly one of the few who understands that our lives are meant to be experienced, and not to be “consumed” just by quantifying it with money.

    However, what the heck, I bet your income is not too bad yourself.

    I wanted to shut some of the rats up, but I am glad you did it first. Will be flying off to Europe for a few days to tour & relax, so enjoy yourself, man.

    Cheers
    HighFlyer


  168. David Seah Says:
    January 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Gong Xi Fa Cai High-flyer.

    Enjoy your Europe tour, cold it is over there though. Just got back from Zurich too.

    Cheers and happy holiday


  169. Tom Says:
    January 26th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Big deal…pot calling the kettle black…all these irony and paradox…yawn


  170. Anonymous Says:
    January 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Pilot is seriously a good job


  171. Ronaldo Says:
    January 27th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Pilots are a good vocation except the occupational risks are high – lots of reports on plane crashes and unexected deaths


  172. Anonymous Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:57 am

    All jobs carry risk. I am no mathematician, but judging by the huge number of NSF deaths compared to only 2 singaporean pilot deaths throughout history (silkair), NSF is a much riskier job than pilot. But pilots get paid 20-30x more than NSF! So based on risk-reward ratio, pilot is definitely a much better job than any other vocation.


  173. ronaldo Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Dear Anonymous,your anecdotes are unneeded and are not the least bit useful anyway.

    1.Your statistics on pilot deaths are grossly incorrect.

    2.Silkair is not one of the many vocations that the RSAF offers so you err atrociously in your premise for comparing the salaries of the NSF and pilot. A NSF has a vocation because he has to fulfill certain obligations to earn his citizenship. A Combat pilot does what he does for a LIVING, not for his citizenship.

    3.Your ‘risk-reward’ ratio is based on an essentially wrong basis for comparison, thus, your argument does not make sense.

    4.Do not mislead us by using the terms ‘vocation’ and job interchangeably. Your sense of a vocation refers instinctively at the military sort. The playing field for a military job and a civilian job are the elements of completely different playing fields and you cannot slap your know-it-all comparisons on them just like that. A combat pilot (disregarding all seniority in rank because a NSF cannot attain this criteria unless he has spent some years languishing in DB) definitely does not earn 20-30x more than a NSF serving as a Combat Officer.

    Wait,he doesn’t even earn 20-30x more than the regular NSF(Rifleman) who holds the rank of a CPL in a combat vocation who brings home 400-500 per month.

    To bring that one step further,are you even sure that a Combat Pilot earns 20-30x more than a freshly enlisted Army recruit?

    May I enquire,where have you gotten your extravagant statistics from Mr Anecdotal Anonymous?

    5.What is your point anyway?

    So, do not wisen us with your motherhood statements.


  174. Anonymous Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Perhaps you didn’t get the drift but I was referring to commercial pilots and not combat pilots. I only used the word “vocation” because that’s what you used in your previous post (or are there two ronaldos here??)

    About pilot risk: I know of only 2 commercial pilot deaths in the recent history of Singapore (Silkair MI 185). SQ6 pilots survived. However, there are at least half a dozen recruits who have died in recent years. True, flying is dangerous, but if the statistics are right, no more dangerous than serving NS.

    All I’m saying is that in terms of risk-to-reward, I’d rather be a Malaysian pilot working for SQ making $271,888 per annum (http://www.salary.sg/2007/sq-pilots-pay/) than to be a Singaporean NSF making $6,000 per annum (wait, that’s 45x.. I underestimated!) any day.

    The fact that one has no choice but to be an NSF doesn’t alter this. In fact, it makes being an NSF even more economically unattractive, as it is a job that is as risky as being a commercial pilot, pays 45x less and, worse still, even takes away your freedom to leave that job!

    Point is, if I were to have a son, I’d make sure he was born in Malaysia, then pack him off to train as a pilot when he’s 18. When he qualifies as a first officer at 21, he’ll risk his life for $149,258 p.a. while his Singaporean NSF peers are risking theirs for $6,000 p.a.

    No wise motherhood statements here.. just fatherhood principles, plain and simple.


  175. ronaldo's muse Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Pardon my need for a rebuttal actually,but going by your very flawed risk to rewards logic,you are directly associating risk of death during NS term to the total number of NSF deaths. Having just completed my NS term,I am qualifed to state that those most prone to malladies (and fatal ones at that) during NS are those who are prone to malladies in real life anyway.

    Just to sidetrack a bit,wouldn’t that explain that taxi drivers are getting the shorter end of the stick,since the rate of occurence of traffic accidents is so damn high?more than NSF deaths or air crashes for that matter.

    They would have or wouldn’t have died with or without NS. The fact that they happened to die during their NS term is purely coincidental. How many deaths have we heard of, where a soldier is crushed by a tank?or killed by a bullet?Perhaps your imaginations of NS must be mental snippets from war films.

    On the contary, a physically unfit soldier dying from strenuous exercise(a long jog?SOC?)is more of a run of the mill NSF death scenario.

    Surely I say to you, the number is negligible.

    Foreigners (by this,I am refering to the Koreans and Taiwanese in particular) remark at how much of a joke Singaporean National Service is,because of the slew of safety measures put in place by MINDEF.

    Minimal outdoor activity in event of eminent lightning activity (Cat 1 to be specific), 6-7 hours of rest during normal training. Even those prone to the dangers of being previously unfit are categorized and seperated from the pack (Pes BP and Pes A/B PTP batch) and given progressive traning.

    Or maybe you were horrified at how dangerous wandering through the jungle with nothing but several packets of combat rations is.

    I am not ardent fan of NS (and I don’t buy that Boys to Men shit)for I lament how it interrupts my education schedule. But I will not whine lyrical with the wrong facts and attempt to raise my child a Malaysian.

    If you were a Singaporean, I suspect you have not served in a combat unit. Probably got away with an imaginary disease coined by your favourite family doctor.

    No wonder you do not understand the true risks of NS.

    Anyway,
    Happy New Year to you, sir.


  176. ronaldo's muse Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    oh and by the way,if you’re going to raise your son a malaysian,make sure he gets his PPL in Singapore,not Malaysia(Johor in particular).we wouldn’t want him destroying any foliage whilst getting his PPL.


  177. Anonymous Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    try telling NSF parents that their sons who died because of overturned 3-tonners during training would have been prone to dying in a vehicular accident in civilian life anyway. were these guys who died prone to maladies? just because we only hear of those who have died from medical problems in the papers doesn’t mean that there are none who have died from exclusively military mishaps.

    Anyway we are not here to debate NS. All I wanted to say was in response to your alter ego (the original Ronaldo?) that, sure, being a pilot is a risky job. But there are far riskier jobs for shittier pay. So if I could be a pilot, I definitely would. Don’t care so much about the risk.


  178. Anonymous Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    haha, that’s a good one. hopefully he’ll be getting it in perth, with SQ.


  179. ronaldo's muse Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    yeah,no hard feelings alright.i was in the force for my NS term,controlling pilots from my air traffic control tower and it’s enough shit having pilots boss around with their devil may care attitude in controlled airspace. but its even shittier to hear people outside the force glorify these complete idiots on the basis of their high pay. well i hope your son turns out to be a good pilot if he so decides to be one.cheers


  180. David Seah Says:
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Dear Anonymous,

    It is cruel fact that most general public have a very negative impression on pilots’ profession in particular. Salary too high most people will feel. But they forgot pilots do deserved to earn their attractive pay packages.

    It does take episope like the below story, for the public to appreciate and recognise the profession as a Pilot, who made the miracle for passengers to walk away from any potential fatal crashes.

    http://aircrewbuzz.com/2009/01/breaking-news-us-airways-a320-ditches.html

    The most touching words from the passengers I recall …. this pilot’s excellent flying skills prevented the passenger’s wife from becoming a widow and children from becoming fatherless in a spilt second decision.

    I rest my case. Cheers


  181. shipbroker/charterer Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 12:11 am

    hey, i am 16 this year. will be taking my “O” levels in a few months time. i was thinking if anyone here in this forum is a shipbroker/charterer? Or is able to tell me info shipbroking/chartering? Like for example experiences, salary(both basic and how much bonus you earned), workload.. etc. also, the route taken to this career, what qualifications you possess.
    thank you!


  182. Tpy Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 1:03 am

    hey, i noticed that the diagnostic radiographer is not in the 2008 list anymore. It was #75 last year and seems to have disappeared.

    Can anyone tell me the average pay a diagnostic radiographer gets?


  183. Anonymous Says:
    January 31st, 2009 at 4:30 am

    David: Fully agree. If a pilot makes a wrong decision, he loses not just his own life but that of few hundred passengers. Pilots fully deserve that pay. Ministers, on the other hand, can lose a terrorist…. and nothing happens to them.


  184. ginny Says:
    February 3rd, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    hi guys. i see somethings been boiling in this forum. lets not be sarcastic or boastful about salaries and stuff. we are here to discuss abt the salary queries, arent we? anyway, the economy has been really bad now and many have lost their jobs. lets be contented with your current jobs cuz ure lucky that u still have the job! happy cny =)


  185. surgeon Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 2:23 am

    wow. all you people fighting over how much each one earns etc etc. Ronaldo, you seem so proud earning the so called tons of money at your young age. well, if so i am happy for you. i came from a very very poor family. became a doctor and earned peanuts until i became a specialist surgeon. life was a struggle then. coming from rages to riches, i can only say one thing to all of you. MONEY ONLY SOLVES MONEY PROBLEMS. all the rest of the problems remain the same and dont go away. family problems, relationship problems, health problems etc etc. and in this current crises, why boast about how much you make and earn? is that all that really matters in life? what if your life is demanded of you today? what would it matter then how much you earn? i have seen 28yr old people die in front of me. i dont recall they telling me their salary on their death beds. all i recall him saying was AM I GOING TO DIE?
    what about all those people that are losing their jobs daily? why boast about how much you earn when there are lots of children and families dependant on that guy who just lost his job and are now fearful that they may lose their homes? how will he face his family? how will he feed his children? come on, let he who boasts, boast in the Lord. Let another praise you and NOT from your own lips. a word of wisdom from Paul : 1. work hard with your hands. 2. Lead a quiet life. 3. Mind your own business. and DONT BOAST. Just give thanks for what you have. Especially in this current climate. let this forum be a place to help, encourage and advise one another. my 2 cents worth.


  186. ronaldo's muse Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    dear surgeon,on your anecdotal points 2 and 3,surely if we are not going to become selfish beings,then ‘leading a quiet life’ and ‘minding your own business’ seem like pretty inward looking principle’s innit? In your hippocratic oath did you not dedicate your life to the altruistic aim?

    And if you haven’t noticed by now,the only way this forum is going is down.

    People who visit this forum are in serious need of validation. (are you included?i know i am)

    1. Professionals who are some what unsatisfied by their rice bowl, coming here to spy on what other people are getting.

    2. Undergraduates whose sole attentions for their current energies sowed in studying are directed at the rewards of a lucrative salary.

    But surgeon,are you well aware that we are end products of a capitalist system?It seems highly suspcious that you,with high minded rhetoric has found yourself at this forum that is very suspicious.

    We are the decline of society. Leave us to our own devices.


  187. ferguson Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    shut the F up ronaldo. i am sure that your comments and participation are no longer required here in this forum. the way that you are trying to portray yourself in this forum really makes me want to puke.


  188. ronaldo Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    dear ferguson, i am sure that i would be better off in real madrid. I’m sure that you weren’t puking when you first saw me blazing down the flanks. and you are the one who should be retiring from this forum. I don’t think you are young enough for a career change. oh wait. maybe Home United or what may want you


  189. Goodie Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    He is useful for this forum lah. Every forum needs somebody like ronaldo to create more traffic :P I bet threads with ronaldo “12k, 28yrs” posts are among the longest threads ever in salary.sg :)


  190. Tom Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    ronaldo, your sarcasm bore me to death, can you come up with something more entertaining?


  191. ferguson Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    lets ignore this poser, he is not worth our attention


  192. Goodie Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Tom, he already upgraded a bit to keep you entertained no? From “12k, 28yrs” to “15k, 28yrs”.

    I mean of course basically he’s just saying the same thing again and again, but now got 15k leh! :P (15k leh!!!)


  193. surgeon Says:
    February 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    anecdotal comments? err. those comments were not mine. they were taken right out of the bible. i wouldnt make light of it sir. i really wouldn’t. you also said we are the decline of society? err..i dont think so about myself. i have taken an oath to help others and that is my calling. pro bono work is part of my life. maybe you should consider that doing something to help others too and not be too full of yourself. i will not reply any more.


  194. WoW Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Any idea what are the type of job that can have an increment of 3k per year like Ronaldo’s? If every year I got 3k increment, in 10 years time………..


  195. Goodie Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    In 10 years time he’ll be going “42k, 28yrs”… “42k, 28yrs”… “42k, 28yrs”… I’m so proud of myself yada yada…


  196. Ronaldo Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    other people might be getting higher wages than me.

    but i am only under 30 years old & my salary already is 15K.

    i don’t feel sad or demoralised about my salary. i feel satisfied.

    i believe i am worth much more though, looking at 18k above.

    Cheers!
    Ron


  197. Ronaldo Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    my take home after cpf is 14,099.

    whats there to complain about?

    my weekly personal ent expenses was 1 to 1.5K but now because of global economic reccession, i cut down to 700 to 1 K max.

    Other expenses like food to be 400 per week.

    all in all, i am fairly happy with myself.

    Ron


  198. ferguson Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    ronaldo you fool, dont you get it? everyone here is mocking at your so called 12k and 15k at the age of 28 and you are still going on with your tall tales? LOL


  199. Ronaldo's father Says:
    February 6th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    After all these months, my son Ronaldo, is still talking about his pay? To everyone else, pls ignore my mad son, & ignore him from now onwards & dont bother replying to his garbage.

    The more agitated u become, the more excited he gets. JUST IGNORE HIM, SIMPLE… until of course he change his nick. But Im sure we can spot him cos he is gonna talk about his $15K pay again.


  200. Anonymous Says:
    February 7th, 2009 at 1:53 am

    doctor is seriously a good job too. can help others and make lots of money at the same time. win in both heaven and earth


  201. surgeon Says:
    February 7th, 2009 at 1:56 am

    for most jobs, i always believe that we should not focus on the money but in doing what we have to do best.
    money is normally the reward for ensuring that you do it well. but if you focus on it as first priority, then you will lose your moral compass. what do you people think?


  202. Borat Sagdiyev Says:
    February 7th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Yeah mates, after all nothing negative ever came out of doing what you love most. You’ll do it only better.


  203. armchair Says:
    February 11th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    yes borat, i really loved your movie!


  204. Hairy Lee Says:
    February 11th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    If only everyone was a responsible netizen like surgeon,i’m sure that i won’t have to moderate online comments


  205. Ronaldo Says:
    February 18th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Hahaha if people choose not to believe the pay im getting, its up to them.

    Honestly, I am happy that I am earning roughly 15K excluding bonuses and ENT.

    I can dare say that not many people here earn as much or even near what i am earning now.

    Cheers ALL!

    Ron


  206. Jared Says:
    February 19th, 2009 at 1:40 am

    For all you know, Ronaldo could just be a lonely, insecure bum with no friends constantly participating in this virtual world which may just be his only source of entertainment and self-comfort. Think IRC-addicts.


  207. game1980 Says:
    February 19th, 2009 at 8:57 am

    15k is not a lot as a wall street trader or private banker in the past.

    So I dont doubt him but try not to make other envious. There are those Singaporeans who think foreigners who dont know where Singapore is are ignorant.


  208. Goodie Says:
    February 19th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Yeah, the amount itself is not hard to believe. The private bankers and traders I know, until recently, would be really depressed if they earned only 15k per month.

    I think he’s just looking for acknowledgement, that’s all. A lot of his self-esteem is hanging on that “15k, 28yrs” mantra of his.

    But aren’t we all like that to a degree or another :)


  209. game1980 Says:
    February 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Let not be envious of high pay of others and instead work harder ourselves. Even if we fall short eventually, at least we tried and we should have no regrets.


  210. average joe Says:
    February 20th, 2009 at 12:58 am

    i have an acquaintance who earns $25k a month on average. 24 yo, only ‘o’ levels and she looks very hot. i dun wish to disclose my friend’s occupation though :) btw, i am just an ugly blob who earns $4.5k at 33 :( not to flame dear ronaldo, just compare 41 & 56, folks. haha. if ronaldo is a hot dude, $15k is way below market rate.


  211. game1980 Says:
    February 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    It is possible to earn 15k a month because when u reach early to mid 30s u can earn nearly 30K a month in the civil service.

    Younger officers in the elite Administrative Service — typically top performers in their early to mid-30s — will receive S$351,000 or about 12 percent less.


  212. simple Says:
    February 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    i believe at the end of the day, it is impt to set aside your pay to invest. I believe I earn more (160k per annum, 34) than my peers but spend considerably less than them (i drive a jap car and still in hdb flat).

    I’m no where near those guys at elite administrative service. i constantly need to ensure i stay employed becos i think it is not easy to find a similar pay elsewhere. So, my principle is to work hard and save hard and better still invest wisely. It will not be sunshine everyday for me.


  213. privileged Says:
    February 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Don’t compare with the elite Administrative Service. There are only about 400 Administrative Officers and Management Associates (387 according to Peter Ho’s speech in 2007).
    400 against a labour force of about million (or more), is insignificant. They were the black swans.
    These lucky folks got in because they did well in their studies in JCs and managed to impress the interview panel during their scholarship interviews. They were reasonably smart students and more importantly they can speak and present themselves well. That said, there are also a lot of “farmer” scholars who couldn’t become AOs (not lucky enough or chose the wrong scholarships).
    If you want to compare, you might as well compare with the thousands of rich kids who inherited millions from their rich parents.


  214. Ronaldo Says:
    February 21st, 2009 at 2:58 am

    average joe > i dont sell myself short but this only applies to my work professionally in media.

    There are many ways to earn 20K or more cash a month. This depends on how far the extend of work the person is willing to do.

    I know an female acquaintance who is young, pretty, sexy, has a degree, a good job. She can earn easily more than 30K a month, and majority of this amount dont come from her day job.

    In good times, those PRC hostess in night clubs along Havelock Road can also easily earn >15 to 20K a month. The type of work they do are very flexible and provides 100% fulfillment to whichever man who comes to them for casual companionship.

    I don’t doubt your 24 yo female acquaintance is earning $25k a month but frankly its not the most difficult job in the world to do either.

    We see wall street traders and investment bankers earning loads of cash of more than 50K a month or more even. But where are they now?

    Quite sadly, most of them are either bankrupt, facing legal suits from clients, jobless, holding jobs with meagre salaries, or bumming somewhere because their world had came crashing down.

    As such, I dont envy them now at all. In reality, they are now having a sad fate, fighting for their cash flow, barely surviving.

    People dont look at past glory and performance because it is all history.

    We look at what is currently happening now.

    Cheers!
    Ron


  215. Goodie Says:
    February 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    And the cycle continues…
    RONALDO: “I’m so great blah blah blah”
    THE REST: “No you’re not lots of people are better than you blah blah blah”
    RONALDO: “but those people got this and that problem blah blah therefore I’m STILL better blah blah blah…”


  216. Real Average Joe Says:
    February 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Wah this thread is so depressing. Earning average of my cohort sounds likes earning s**t after reading these posts:(


  217. game1980 Says:
    February 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    No need to feel depressed. Just continue to vote for PAP and we have more good years for Singapore.


  218. game1980 Says:
    February 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Great Ronaldo! At your age getting 15K, it is considered very outstanding.


  219. Goodie Says:
    February 24th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    *Excluding* bonuses and all the other things also leh. Very very very very very outstanding. Forever 28 yrs also some more. Lagi very very very very very oustanding.


  220. oinks Says:
    February 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Wow, loser Ronaldo is still at it?
    AMAZING! Now, Ronaldo, which intern have you hired to write your retorts for you?
    I am certain your small minded brain would not be able to come up with structured english sentences that are winged with objectives. Come on, Ronaldo, spill the beans. I know it’s not you. Your one and only mantra is, ‘28 years old earn 15 k,’with a chinki-fied chinese beat to boot.


  221. loveboo Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Best paying jobs is the Tai Tais (not housewives) at home,especially those who can control their highly paid husbands tightly…..

    As for Ronaldo (must say something, since u r the angpai here), you are such a joy, this forum will lose its colours without your appearance……I do enjoying reading his posts…so funny.


  222. loveboo Says:
    March 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    A important advice to all, live healthily…min or no womanizing, gambling..or other costly bad habits and u will lead a rich life even u don’t earn as much as Ron..


  223. behumble Says:
    March 7th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Don’t understand why this Ronaldo character has so much hang-up about 15k at 28 years old. He should look at his annual package. Getting only 30% – 50% bonuses is nothing to rave about. It looks like the annual package is not as good, esp if your media firm is an MNC. There are many rank and file employees, including secretaries, in big local MNCs who got rewarded with stocks as their performance bonuses and became millionaires in 2006-2007 when the company stocks shot up. Does Ron’s firm reward employees with shares? How about pension? AO Scheme is pensionable. One should therefore not measure by monthly salary but by earnings potential in totality.

    Also, why boast so much about the high base salary when there are so many young people who don’t even need to work? Of course some are lucky cos’ their parents are rich. Some are smart and lucky – I know one young chap who sold luxury cars and earned a $1m+ commission, which he used to flip properties in 2006-2007 and is now retired. Ron, unless your net worth is in the millions and you have retired at 28 years old, stop boasting.


  224. Goodie Says:
    March 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Aiyah, behumble, as if you don’t know Ron lah :)

    I mean I think it’s pretty much obvious to everyone here that while this “15k at 28yrs!!!!!!” means he’s done quite well for himself, there are many who have done so much better than him.

    But tell him that, and he’ll say that they probably have to work harder than him lah, that they cannot play golf at what time lah, that they dunno some guy with a yacht lah… bla bla bla. Old story lah :)

    (BTW Admin: can I request that you recognize line breaks in comments? All comments in salary.sg looks like ppl don’t know how to write in paragraphs because extra linebreaks are removed like this.)


  225. insider Says:
    March 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    privileged, the term ‘farmer scholar’ is an oxymoron. The dichotomy of farmers vs scholars is a concept and as with all concept, it comes with a set of fixed definitions. A scholar isn’t a farmer. And a farmer isn’t a scholar.

    A scholar refers to those who studied in top US/UK universities on government scholarships after their A levels.

    This means losers who got some local study award on the bill of any of the governmental agencies are farmers. Farmers also refer to local university graduates and non graduates who work in the ministries and any of the stat boards.

    Within scholars, there are different ranks and grades. Yes, all scholars are those who attend top overseas institutions. But within the group, there are further segregated into more tiers. There is the top tier of scholars who are PSC’s top scholars- who receive the SAF Overseas Scholarship (SAFOS), SPF Overseas Scholarship (SPFOS) and Overseas Merit Scholarship (OMS). These are three classes of scholars are the group from which the President’s Scholar is chosen. In other words, one can’t be a President’s Scholar and not be from one of these three groups of scholars.

    Then there are stat board scholars who are 2nd tier.

    Within the top tier of scholarships, the rank is as follows.

    President’s Scholarship cum SAFOS
    President’s Scholarship cum SPFOS or cum OMS
    SAFOS
    SPFOS
    OMS

    This information is widely known among scholars and scholarship applicants, anyone who’s ever been in the inner circle or tried applying for a scholarship.


  226. labrador Says:
    March 9th, 2009 at 3:24 am

    First if the Ronaldo dude really makes $15K at 28, that’s really good salary, and significantly above what most other Singaporeans make at 28, although it isn’t a gauge on his salary in the longer term until he’s 60.

    Second, there are SAFOS and OMS that are not AO, and lets say I know for a fact that they’re not regarded as lesser scholars than SAFOS and OMS AOs by both organisation and co-workers. Also, scholars do not take the AO interview immediately upon return. Majority of them get in at some point of their careers.


  227. outsider Says:
    March 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Dear insider, how many of these top and second -tier scholars will eventually make it to the Administrative Service? Is there a huge diff in pay between AOs and non-AOs?


  228. adiemuso Says:
    March 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    insider,

    how about the unwritten ranking of rank n file?

    bachelor’s entry w/o scholarship upgrading to masters/phd with n w/o scholarship?


  229. insider Says:
    March 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Like labrador said, many of top tier scholars (not including those who has left) are AOs. There are second tier scholars who are AOs but far fewer. Stat board scholars simply do not get the same level of exposure or relevant jobscope as compared to PSC scholars. I’m sure you know that ministries formulate policies, stat boards carry them out. There isn’t any policy formulation done at stat board level. No one really wants a stat board scholarship, just ask any top scholarship applicant. But many do take it up after being rejected for a top PSC scholarship. And it pays for an expensive 4-year education so they take what they can get. I dare say it’s a well known fact that almost all stat board scholars are PSC-SAFOS and PSC-OMS rejectees. (meaning they applied for PSC and stat boards and didn’t get PSC)

    Why would anyone with brains turn down an OMS for a stat board when the OMS scholar will be the stat board scholar’s boss?

    All stat boards come under the authority of a ministry. Eg MTI governs STB, EDB. Mindef governs DSTA. MOF governs MAS and so on. The stat boards execute menially the policies formulated by their parent ministry (done by the PSC OMS and SAFOS scholars there). So essentially, a stat board scholar is doing the sai kang with no exposure to policy making.

    Stat boards are also totally independent of each other. Eg when a MAS staff wants to move to say, PUB, he resigns from MAS and then reapplies to PUB. There is no fluid movement for people in stat boards.

    PSC-OMS scholars are rotated at the highest level of policy making in various ministries and they switch between ministries fluidly. Their scholar friends they befriended in JC and Yale are stuck at the stat board, with no lateral movement.Do note that the description above for staff of ministries ONLY apply to high fliers like OMS scholars. Their regular rank and file don’t have. I’m just explaining the set-up of ministries and stat boards to you. The privilege doesn’t extend to any tom, dick or harry.

    To your second question, the pay between the two isn’t even comparable.


  230. insider2 Says:
    March 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Fair points but a rather myopic view.

    Firstly, there are certainly strong stat boards like EDB and MAS which are traditionally more attractive to scholarship applicants as a stint there would make you more marketable to the private sector. Secondly, AOs who spend all their years in Ministries are generally not so attractive to private sector employers like MNCs and banks because they don’t really have client contact or marketable skills which can be picked up at the economic stat boards (with the exception of maybe investment banking and management consulting, which some ex-AOs have broke into but at junior levels). So I wouldn’t say that “all stat board scholars are PSC-SAFOS and PSC-OMS rejectees.” There are very good reasons why some very good scholarship candidates prefer to work at strong stat boards than in Ministry HQs.

    Also, if you are planning to work in the private sector, who really cares about whether you are SAFOS, OMS, SPFOS??? All this stratification is created by the Singapore Government to attract many academically-excellent but impressionable 18-year olds who want scholarship prestige but later regret and break bond. What matters in the pte sector is performance and networks. There are many smart people from our local universities who are doing just as well if not better in terms of pay and prospects than SAFOS/SPFOS/OMS. And some SAFOS/SPFOS/OMS scholars may find that they have to start from scratch if they decide to leave the shelter of the Govt and join pte sector since they don’t have relevant experience.

    So bottom-line is, don’t apply for scholarship just because you want to seek prestige and money. Apply only if you think it is something you would enjoy doing. Be clear on what you want to do in life. If you are not clear, then keep your options open. Our local universities are great institutions and you don’t have to be a scholar to succeed in Singapore. If you are smart, you can work anywhere globally and not get stuck in Singapore by a bond. :-)


  231. labrador Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Hahaha insider2, speak for yourself. Myopic? I know the place of a person who utters the view you just said.

    Insider was answering questions to Admin Service and scholarship, so your bit about private sector while inaccurate was irrelevant. But irrelevance is not normally discerned by intellectually incompetent people.

    What you said was complete BS because MAS is the stat board with the highest number of bond breakers. You have no idea who you’re talking to, so I suggest you desist from excreting more BS in public.

    EDB is one of the better stat board scholarships to end up with, thats true. But i don’t think you knew that when you said that. :) you’re so obviously an outsider looking through a glass window peering in with no first hand info. You said that only by postulating that EDB may have more interactions with private sector companies which is true, because it canvases for investments in foreign countries.

    At the end of the day, the facts that Insider provided remains.

    EDB, like all the other stat boards does the menial execution work. There is no policy formulation and access is at the lowest level.

    Next, it’s patently untrue that OMS being in ministries are at a disadvantage compared to the puny stat board scholars. I know large numbers of OMS scholars who were headhunted by consultancies like Oliver Wyman and McKinsey even before they complete their bond. It’s no secret that AOs and OMS scholars are regularly poached or receive offers. This is because even private sector companies are acutely aware of where the valued harvest is. So they never bother looking at stat board.

    Fact is, many high value jobs like investment bankers and consultants are not hired on years of relevant experience, but on brains, aptitude, personality and guts. That’s why they’re frequently hired straight out of Ivy League undergrad schools even without a year of experience. The same way they target policy-crunching OMS.

    This is something your myopia failed to let you see.

    You also work “anywhere globally” in the public sector. *rolls eyes* I know more than 40 OMS (no, they’re not even with MFA) all over the world, that’s not including the Tied MFA scholars who are lower rung than OMS obviously.

    Your attempt to compare farmers and claim they’re “doing just as well” is also quite a joke, since no one talked about private sector in the conversation. Moreover, it’s no secret that the top large private companies (not SMEs) and peak of professional fields here are helmed and captained by top Singaporean foreign grads. The Law Society’s president is from Oxford, not NUS. :) And he represents the private sector of law. So really, I don’t have to go into the Attorney General or the Solicitor General ha. We all know full well that DBS isn’t the only private company with a CEO who graduated from a top university.

    I’d also challenge you on your claim that PSC scholars “start from scratch” in the private sector. I just had tea last week with a SAFOS ex-BG who’s now holding a higher rank than farmers his age who worked in the same private company he is in the last 10 years. And I know countless more examples that I know you’re crapping out of your arse.

    ALL stat board scholars are PSC OMS rejects. This is a fact. Accept it and you will be free.


  232. outsider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    So there’s huge pay gap… No wonder the non-AO scholars are called farmer scholars! :)
    Another curious question: There’re in total about 400 AOs or thereabout. How many fresh ones get into the Service every year? What’s the attrition rate? Or is it the case that once you made it in, you’re set to become at least a million-earning deputy sec?


  233. yeahyeah Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Insider and labrador, it’s so obvious both of you are AOs. Before your heads hurt from the swelling, I’d like to remind you it’s thanks to your well-crafted policies that we’re the first country to crash into recession. With your “brains, aptitude, personality and guts”, you designed far-sighted policies from your ivory towers that so far led to debacle after debacle whether directly or indirectly, from the MSK disappearance and the otherwise-excellent EMA pricing formula to the town councils’ Lehman-linked but otherwise excellent investment performance and the public transport up-and-down pricing. You and your overpaid colleagues – yeah, we all know you hit $300k/yr at age 32 – can blame the lesser scholars at stat boards for poor execution, but with your excellent IQ and EQ, shouldn’t you have the foresight and oversight to pre-empt failures at the bottom? I bet much of the humongous losses by GIC and Temasek can also be attributed to the highly sought after and always headhunted ex-AOs working as MDs in the 2 firms.
    Yes, you better blame your political masters for the boohoos before they start blaming you when GRCs are lost.


  234. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 8:55 am

    The civil service is separate from politics. Our job is to ensure peasants and lesser mortals to work hard for Singapore either by stick or carrot and to encourage mutation in their offsprings to create elites which are usually found among elites parents.
    Mutation is why some offsprings of peasants and lesser mortals can end up as elites which has puzzled many elites who are not schooled in Darwin theory of evolution.


  235. low cost-low tech Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    dear civil servant
    can i know whether mutation works the other way ?
    thanks.


  236. low cost-low tech Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    dear insider
    can we know what is your age ? r u 18 years old ?
    thanks.


  237. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    It is random and unpredictable so eites usually produce elites offsprings (there can of course be exception to the rule) Most peasants and lesser mortals can understand the brutal truth.

    Mutations create variation within the gene pool. Less favorable (or deleterious) mutations can be reduced in frequency in the gene pool by natural selection, while more favorable (beneficial or advantageous) mutations may accumulate and result in adaptive evolutionary changes. For example, a butterfly may produce offspring with new mutations. The majority of these mutations will have no effect; but one might change the color of one of the butterfly’s offspring, making it harder (or easier) for predators to see. If this color change is advantageous, the chance of this butterfly surviving and producing its own offspring are a little better, and over time the number of butterflies with this mutation may form a larger percentage of the population.


  238. adiemuso Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    insider,
    thanks for the tip. my apologies for creating such a storm in a teacup. i think that there are many here with some hidden agendas.
    anyway, good info and advice for those seeking for lesser scholarships. guess it confirms my view, either join public as the best or try your luck in private. chances are better for non PSCs to get better salary in private than public.
    i do not think u are 18.


  239. adiemuso Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    im kinda skewed towards Darwinian in a way, though outliers do exist. maybe thats why we have sons/daughters of lower strata joing PSC. well, there is a saying in chinese, zhen jin bu pa hong lu huo. If you are excellent in whichever means, money is not really an issue. its just a matter of chance and hardwork.


  240. insider2 Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Labrador, no need to be so hostile. the fact that MAS has the highest number of bond-breakers shows something doesn’t it? Their scholars must be in high demand. They are poached by the banks. And now given this crisis, many are re-applying back to MAS.

    EDB does execution work – that is true. The fact that they don’t have much policy formulation does not mean that their work is menial. How can bringing in millions / billions of FAI for Singapore be menial? It requires much intellectual energy in positioning Singapore, meeting investors, etc. Some ex-EDB scholars have even moved on to Goldman Sachs and McKinsey. And their understanding of industries would probably stand them in better stead than OMS scholars who got stuck in irrelevant Ministries.

    There are also many non-scholars who are doing well, as long as they don’t stay in Govt :-) Of course it definitely helps if they graduated from a top school in US/UK. Your very obsession with OMS/SAFOS/SPFOS scholars is myopic because you completely miss this point that there are many talented people out there with knowledge, drive and the ability to succeed in whatever field they choose without a government scholarship!

    btw, the ex-BG you spoke to still needs to start from scratch because he is competing with 70+ over MDs in DBS, and MD is not quite senior senior mgmt yet compared to where he came from.


  241. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    In life, either u are the best to lead peasants and lesser mortals.
    Or u end up as peasants and lesser mortals.
    Survival of the fittest.
    Another Darwin theory.
    This is the some elites evolved from peasants and lesser mortals and fight with those who are born elites.
    Anyway, this economic crisis is causing discontentment with the peasants and lesser mortals, time for the elites to do something to make them happy!


  242. adiemuso Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    exactly, figures do not lie. thats why i like my job.
    check up the polls results its not difficult to see the trend in SG.
    income disparity is goin to be a big issue. and the perception/truth? of elitism.
    time for me to sit back n relax. perhaps get a Labrador? maybe a Golden Retriver is better.


  243. Pinabonds Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Insider2, my experience suggests that you sound more like an insider than either labrador or insider – who respectively do sound like scholars, though not the most well informed among them. Obviously not MOF or MTI types either, or they’d have quickly realised just how much power EDB and MAS can wield. (MAS is under PMO in any case – window dressing to please the IMF who prefers independent central banks) Unfortunately, informed commentary appeals to few on the internet.


  244. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    U all scholars very big, lead us lowly civil servants to rule over the peasants and the lesser mortals.
    Pls dont fight among yourself and stay to lead us civil servants so we can build a better Singapore for our masters.


  245. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Haha pinabonds, are you sure? Go check your facts. ALL ministries answer to PMO. It simply adds another layer between MAS and PMO, that’s all. MAS is under MOF’s jurisdiction. The whole damn civil service answers to PMO. You are funny.

    EDB and MAS wield as much power as YOUR pay scale and CEP allow you to see. You see that they wield so much super power from the perspective of your CEP and the level you are at.

    Simply put, if any stat board no matter how prominent has as much clout of its parent ministry, they wouldn’t be under the ministries. It is true that different stat boards have differing autonomy. It doesn’t change the fact that even the freest of stat boards come under the purview of its ministry.

    All the AOs and AO to be, high fliers fresh out of school are placed in ministries and not stat boards. That is a fact. Why don’t they place their most talented people in the stat boards if stat boards are where highest levels of decisions are made? Don’t kid yourself. Cos you are the only person you can fool.

    I have scores of PSC-OMS friends who just attended the annual foundation course (a course only held once a year) that AOs attend. ALL are in ministries.

    Even the stat board scholars who manage to make the cut to the course are instantly transferred to ministries to dabble in policy work at the highest level once they pass the interview. Out of the course, less than 2% are farmers. 90% are SAFOS, SPFOS and OMS who are emplaced there automatically, and the remaining 19% stat board overseas scholars.

    That is the set up. If you can’t stand it, take it up with Mr Teo Chee Hean, the head of PMO and Eddie Teo, the head of Civil Service, both are President’s cum SAFOS or OMS scholars.


  246. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    okay okay
    we civil servant report to scholar in stat board who report to scholar in ministry who report to pmo.

    Even I lowly servant also understand this how come the rest dont. Must be peasants and lesser mortals I guess.


  247. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    insider2, you are so hilarious you make me giggle in the middle of the day.

    Can your farmer friends that you say have the world as their oyster become a MD at DBS immediately “FROM SCRATCH”? Last i heard, all new entrants farmer or otherwise start as associates. :D

    He has a higher rank than people his age who was in the same company in the last 10 years. Which part of simple conceptual understanding do you not get? You also think he’s so old ah? Please lah. People make BG at 34 yrs old. I’m quite sure he’s probably even younger than you. Just that in your world you think BG must have a head full of white hair? :D

    I found all the data you submitted gallingly erroneous.

    There are OMS scholars who become consultants at Oliver Wyman, Bane, McKinsey immediately after their bonds. The pay they draw is more than those who failed to get any scholarship and worked in the private sector in the last 6 years they were in the ministries doing the highest level of policy work. The examples of them are dime a dozen.

    It’s also a widely known fact to anyone who’s mildly educated that SAFOS are always and frequently poached, and some cases way before their service terms with SAF ends. That is why everyone knows that they regularly become CEO or directors in GLCs. It’s not only widely known among the actual scholars, the people who mix with them, people who attended the top 2 JCs, even regular Joes know about it and freely talk of it on the internet. Am surprised that you seem to have just crawled out of a hole. And its not just Lee Hsien Yang. You really need to get yourself updated with current affairs.

    It’s not a work of elitism that high level work is done in some places, and low level work is done others. All organisations and establishments and governments in the world have the same structure. In the US there is work done at the Federal Government and lower level of power and decisions are made at the state governments and regularly overwritten by Federal decisions. I don’t know why it’s a concept you’re ignorant of. It’s the way of the world.

    All the shebang you spouted about private sector is impertinent to the prior discussion you joined because we were talking about the civil service. Among the scholars collectively of both top PSC ones and the 2nd tier stat board ones themselves, they know this like they know earth is round, not flat. All the bits you yakked about life outside of it, private sector what not, sounds as smart as saying to me “Yes the earth is round, but in another galaxy, it may not be round”.

    You lack critical thinking skills and the ability to crunch information and compartmentalize them. Let me guess, you went to a local school?

    I am a farmer, like just like why is why I have nothing against farmers.

    But I do have a problem with misinformation.


  248. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    civil servant, in this world we all report to somebody. There is an organisation set up everywhere. i too, report to my boss in the private sector. Ministers report to PM. Hilary now reports to Obama. So what’s the big deal with reporting to someone when every being in the world does?

    There is nothing wrong with reporting to somebody. All of them report to Eddie Teo. When in school, we used to report to teacher who report to principal.

    What i will correct is misinformation from people whose view is limited to the ceiling of the room they’re in.


  249. civil servant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Thanks for sharing the civil service structure with us civil servants. Now we know what goes on in the black box.
    Everytime lowly me ask always get funny look like why I need to know.
    Next time my offsprings must have mutation so can achieve more than his useless father and become someone big in civil service!


  250. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Quote insider2 “the fact that MAS has the highest number of bond-breakers shows something doesn’t it? Their scholars must be in high demand. They are poached by the banks. And now given this crisis, many are re-applying back to MAS.

    EDB does execution work – that is true. The fact that they don’t have much policy formulation does not mean that their work is menial. How can bringing in millions / billions of FAI for Singapore be menial?” Unquote

    MAS has the highest number of bond breakers not because it’s a place sizzling with fun and energy. Actual president’s scholars gave the intelligence that it’s a downtown. Gettit? The highest number of bond breakers are caused by the fact that many scholars come from well to do families.

    I never once said that EDB’s work is not useful to Singapore. We all have jobs to do. Please point out to me it has no use. I said that it does execution work as opposed to policy or plans, which you admitted.

    As an analogy, in the Army every platoon and company that fights is crucial because all together they make up the force. It does not negate the fact that they do the execution of part of a larger plan and under policy directive of Joint Plans, Defence Policy Office, Future Systems in Mindef and so on.

    MAS’s “power” to quote Pinabonds who’s sweating profusely now, and autonomy only extends to monetary policy. NOT fiscal policy. They do not do policy work.

    What I said was stat boards do the execution work. Some stat boards have more autonomy than others, you’re right, but they still come under ministries.

    Autonomy level differs from each stat board, which further underlines my other point how they are individual entities which gives its staff no lateral movement.


  251. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Actual president’s scholars gave the intelligence that it’s a dead town.


  252. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    To yeahyeah, I am not an AO nor civil servant. Let’s just say I am obscenely surrounded by them by social AND blood ties.


  253. peasant Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Ai yo u all talk so cheem I dont understand.
    Just give me food and HDB flat can liao.
    We peasants just want to eat and sleep and dont care who do what!
    Actually best job is to be peasant cause got u all scholars to take care of us and ensure Singapore GDP continues to grow and one day we may even be bigger than US!


  254. insider2 Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Insider, you sound like a frustrated PSC-OMS/SAFOS/SPFOS-reject. You are also probably working in a weak stat board and probably feeling lousy and unhappy and wanting to get out. I can see why because you could not even spell “Bain” properly. Don’t feel sorry for yourself because I am sure you can succeed if you get out of your funk and stop denigrating others with your comments. Not becoming an AO or not getting a govt scholarship in Singapore is not the end of the world. I certainly wish your social circle widens to non-civil servants who are doing well in their respective fields. You can see that there are many talented people out there who did well without govt scholarship!


  255. Pinabonds Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    No sweating here insider. No need to take my word for it that MAS comes under PMO, just check out the official link. Happily enough, you’ll also be able to verify whether “all ministries report to PMO” as you so ignorantly claim: http://www.pmo.gov.sg/AboutPMOffice/

    It’s a pity you aren’t an AO or civil servant – your willingness to provide strident “analysis” on the relative importance of scholars in statutory boards and ministries without actually being there is a characteristic that will put you in good stead should you decide to join. AOs and civil servants LOVE to do this.

    And I’m not even going to start explaining about MOF and its utter lack of a formal relationship with MAS.


  256. chickenriceseller Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Yup I am doing very well selling chicken rice in a hawker centre.
    One plate $2.50 and I make about 50% profit margin. I can sell up to 100 packets/plates a day so I earn $125 a day which is a lot considering that I only have O level.
    However, less people buying chicken rice from me so u scholars must attract more foreign talents to buy chicken rice for me as foreign talents save jobs and dont compete with me for a living.
    Few degree holders will want to sell chicken rice and my son who has a degree from nut is asking me to sell chicken rice set which is $5.50 with extra egg and vegetables and choice of either chicken drumstick or chicken wing.
    Let us all hand in hand so that chicken rice sellers like me can prosper in S’pore. Maybe one day I can IOP too and become tow kar!


  257. simple Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    i find it amusing if spelling mistakes means someone is not very smart.

    anyway, good information on AO and civil servants etc. i accept that if one is smarter and work harder, he makes more. 300k by 32 is very impressive.


  258. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    It’s highly amusing that people like insider2 miscomprehended due to whatever understanding deficiency he may have, factual information I provided about the ranks and tiers of PSC scholarships, and the set up of the ministries and stat boards and what work is done at which level- purely factual and extremely common knowledge among literate Singaporeans- and managed to misconstrue that as “One can only succeed if one manages to bag either a SAF/SPFOS or OMS”.

    Which is strange. Nowhere in my posts did i say that. I said that there are ranks to the top PSC scholarships, I listed the ranks, and stat board scholarships are for PSC rejects. Facts.

    All of us know that in Singapore, there are various ways to success. Examples like David Gan, Bee Cheng Hiang and Boon Tong Kee abound not only in the media, but before our very eyes. I never once said that insider2 can’t find his success by selling chicken rice. Sure, if his chicken rice is as good as BTK’s, he’ll also make it big. Factual information about scholarship tiers and organisation set-up cannot be disproved; its in fact surprising such intuitive knowledge is not known by those who claims to be savvy or well-read.

    if one isn’t insecure and unsure of oneself, one wouldn’t have leapt into a barrage of self-consoling and affirmative speech. You don’t even need to go to the private sector as a professional, like what he so desperately promulgated in his response to me.

    Any kind of skill or offering that you have that makes you the top among what you offer like David Gan or Boon Tong Kee is sufficient. So no need to keep reassuring yourself when you react to facts from me.


  259. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Pinabonds, all ministries come under the PSD. It’s the PSD who despatches the various AOs to whichever ministry it deems.

    Please note that PSD is under PMO. All ministries are under PSD.

    PMO provides administrative support to MAS. MAS is the central bank. Does MAS have fiscal policy jurisdiction? Or is it MOF that formulates our fiscal policy and the Budget? You only need to answer your own questions.

    Insider2, please stop reassuring yourself by your repeated barrage of replies to me. I didn’t even bother reading your latest post in detail, because I glanced enough of it and saw your repeated self assurance that was irrelevant to what I said about 1) the ranks of all government scholarships 2) the ranks of PSC scholarships 3) the organisation set up.

    You didn’t address anything I said. I never said that unless a Singaporean is clever enough up to a certain standard, he is a failure. Please stop mirroring your insecurities onto me. I am an innocent bystander.

    I’m sure you’ll do very well in your stat board even though you’re a farmer. So please, stop reassuring yourself by harassing me.


  260. insider Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    insider2, my friend just emailed me saying that you’re the one who’s obviously a OS and OMS reject. I didn’t know what you said earlier because i didn’t bother to read your post but now i have. Funny that you’ll think i’m in a stat board, nope, i’m in the private sector. However, our analysis of you is you’re a farmer in a stat board which you think is ’strong’, as opposed to your insult to me that i’m in a ‘weak’ stat board and you’re taking umbrage with cold hard facts I presented leading to you going way off-tangent and going on and on about success in general. totally out of point.

    *giggles* i won’t ever join a stat board if i apply to public sector.


  261. insider2 Says:
    March 11th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Pinabonds, you and I know who the real insider is. :-)

    insider, the reason why you are in the pte sector and why you keep harping on how prestigious SAFOS/SPFOS/OMS is, is probably because you were a scholarship-reject. Period. If that is not true, tell us plainly on this forum that. If not, silence means consent.


  262. Insideabarrel Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    Insider. So many facts wrong. Logic also wrong. Do you work as a private banker or something? 1) ministries do not report to PSD you moron. PSD is in charge of civil servant deployment in a hr and training capacity across all ministries, but thts not the same thing as saying that ministries are ‘accountable’ to PSD. What a laughable idea!

    2) You’re absolutely right. MAS does not set fiscal policy. Neither does DBS. Nor GIC. You know why? By definition, only MOF can set fiscal policy – as rightly should be the case. This in no way explains your assertion that MOF is superior to MAS or any other organization for that matter. By that logic MEWR is better than Mindef bec they control water resources and god knows we all need water. MAS sets monetary policy. Mof doesnt. Does that mean MOF is inferior? Of course not. But at least say something abt the relative importance of either fiscal or monetary policy to express your view.


  263. Goodie Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Oh geez. Ronaldo can you please come back? I find your “15k 28yrs” mantra more interesting than this whole new “amusing statboard discussions” that are going on among sooooo many insiders.


  264. outsider Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    insider, do u need to argue/defend/rebutt with so much details? we are all in this forum for information/details/discussion that are difficult to find elsewhere so pls spare us from your invaluable “insider” justifications/reasonings etc etc blah blah blah + we are not interested in what your friend says or claims even if you and your friend might be correct. lastly, your “giggles” makes you sound like a girl or sissy


  265. odlanor Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Hi I am odlanor amd I earn 28K at the age of 15 thanks to my dividends income given to me by my rich dad odlanor senior.
    He used me to reduce income tax but is it legal?


  266. to odlanor Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Hi odlanor, I think you are the real winner here, clearly a cut above the whiners in this forum. Nothing anybody can do to you under the current laws. =) Congrats!


  267. simple Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    if i’m not wrong, 28k per mth is just nice under the first 320k… a savings of $20+ k then if your dad need to file under 1 name…

    You should ask your dad for at least $10+ k pocket money for the savings he made!


  268. Goodie Says:
    March 12th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Thank you odlanor!


  269. bubbleburst Says:
    March 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Hi. I would like to know how much does a radiographer and radiation therapist in singapore earn for a month? thx.


  270. underclass Says:
    March 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    well bubbleburst, you better be sure that if you become a radiographer you better know how to reaed your x rays properly.i’m helping my client sue a certain cock eyed and negligent radiographer who apparently misdiagnosed a very obvious case of breast cancer.

    i can’t tell you how much a radiologist earns,but he will definitely not be earning in excess of 300k in damages that we are going to sue him for.

    hopefully that doesnt burst your bubble.


  271. ignorantly yours Says:
    March 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    dear PSC scholars/alumni out there,can you please enlighten this ignorant fella here on the perceived disadvantage that i might have,when i come back to singapore looking for a job in the public service with a excellent law degree from cambridge(on FMS nevertheless)?will i,having decided not to be bonded to the government at 18 years old be prejudiced against?


  272. bubbleburst Says:
    March 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Thanks for your reply underclass. Appreciate it. Although that didn’t really ‘burst’ my bubble yet.
    And my question still hasn’t been answered. Anyone? Thanks again.


  273. civil servant Says:
    March 21st, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Hey I not scholar but my master say civil service pay u yr last drawn pay if reasonable so welcome back to Singapore!


  274. civil servant Says:
    March 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Hey radiographer is not radiologist lah


  275. ignorantly yours Says:
    March 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    thanks man civil servant. i cannot wait to come back and serve.


  276. blaez Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 7:43 am

    can anyone tell me whats the difference between a Foreign exchange dealer and broker?


  277. adiemuso Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 9:12 am

    BROKER – fetches the prices for dealers/traders/customers. based in brokerages/clearing houses.

    DEALERS – deals executors in banks/corporates/instituitions

    TRADERS – takes risk for profit.


  278. blaez Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Thanks Adiemuso, how much does a forex dealer and trader make? what requirement is needed to become 1?


  279. adiemuso Says:
    April 2nd, 2009 at 10:08 am

    dealer starts from 2000. it depends on the name.

    trader starts from zero. it depends on the name.

    dealing/trading circle is small. high barriers to entry. no clear definition of requirements. but aptitude in figures, high threshold of stress levels and quick/fast thinking are basic definite attributes.

    in current mkt conditions, its not easy for a freshie to get in. there are tons of experienced dealers/traders out there looking for a job as well.


  280. retrenched Says:
    April 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 am

    where is ronaldo?


  281. ferguson Says:
    April 2nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    relaxing on his yacht.he will be back when the economy swings to the upturn in 2012


  282. blok Says:
    April 2nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    i wanna learn forex and get myself a job,a forex dealer. but donno where to start. anyone can guide some tips for me? thanks~


  283. Commods Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Hi blaez, blok.

    Broker and dealer terms are used interchangeably most of the time. They are sales positions whose job is to bring in clients and commission to their company, by executing trades in financial markets (equities, commodities, forex etc) Min. requirement is a diploma though almost all new hires these days are uni grads.
    To get a headstart, u shld register for and pass CMFAS modules 1,5,6 (7 is for futures products)
    A business/accounting degree is not essential but it’s an advantage. If u have high net worth or corporate/instituitional client contacts who are willing to trade through u, u will have a very significant advantage over other ppl.

    Brokers/dealers are like property agents, financial planners. Their earnings fluctuate from time to time and differ for diff individuals. The bottom ones earn less than 2k/mth. The top ones can earn 20-100k/mth during gd times. Investment bank broker-dealers will earn more than that.


  284. Commods Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Hi blaez, blok.

    Broker and dealer terms are used interchangeably most of the time. They are sales positions whose job is to bring in clients and commission to their company, by executing trades in financial markets (equities, commodities, forex etc) Min. requirement is a diploma though almost all new hires these days are uni grads.
    To get a headstart, u shld register for and pass CMFAS modules 1,5,6 (7 is for futures products)
    A business/accounting degree is not essential but it’s an advantage. If u have high net worth or corporate/instituitional client contacts who are willing to trade through u, u will have a very significant advantage over other ppl.

    Brokers/dealers are like property agents, financial planners. Their earnings fluctuate from time to time and differ for diff individuals. The bottom ones earn less than 2k/mth. The top ones can earn 20-100k/mth during gd times. Investment bank broker-dealers will earn more than that.


  285. blaez Says:
    April 28th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Hi commods. thks for the info. do u mind linking some companys that are recruiting dealers?


  286. Vinod Kumar Says:
    May 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Dear Sir plz. find in attach My Resume I’m working with Reliance Capital as a Sales Manager Apr. 08 to till date and my total experience is near about 5 year’s


  287. barclays Says:
    May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Hi Vinod somehow I did not get your resume. Can you please try again–please use the “Attach File” button this time, thanks.


  288. unpredictable Says:
    May 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    seems like the prospects of working as valuer or real estate analyst in the real estate indsutry isnt as good as i thought.

    hmm i’m offered smu biz mgmt degree and nus real estate degree respectively. as much as many have ask me to go for my interest, i have difficulty choosing. both interest me.

    so i guess it’s the career advancement prospect and starting pay upon graduation from the degree that matters to me. at least for now.

    anyone can guide me on this? would really appreciate ur help!


  289. unpredictable Says:
    May 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    to add on, majoring in finance in smu sounds good to me. however, studying real estate in nus might give me greater opportunity fsince this is a rather niche market and there are lesser grads from this course


  290. predictable Says:
    May 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    When you graduate in finance in 3-4 years, it’s highly possible that the financial sector would have turned the corner with good jobs aplenty. As for real estate, I’m speaking as an outsider but my opinion is that the only high earners are the top property agents and the very senior people like Kwek Leng Beng and his management, otherwise a salaried job in real estate is just like any others out there. If you want high income, sales and finance are the way to go. If you want stability, any other industry should suffice.


  291. unpredictable Says:
    May 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    ty for for ur prompt reply and this lead me to some idea bout which course to choose =)


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