115,900 jobs were created last year, but it’s not clear how many of these jobs were taken up by citizens.
As I mentioned previously, it is baffling when we see the term “locals” whenever job and salary statistics are released by the government.
Let me clear the air again: The term “locals” refer to BOTH citizens and permanent residents.
Citizens hold pink NRICs, while PRs hold blue ones. PRs also hold passports from their home countries. They don’t hold the red Singapore passports. To me, the difference between citizens and PRs is big. Very big.
So, why is it unclear how many of the 115,900 jobs went to citizens?
First, look at the Ministry of Manpower’s Labour Market 2010 report (emphasis mine, see press release too):
“In 2010, local employment grew by 56,200… Locals (also known as residents) refer to Singapore citizens and permanent residents.” (Labour Market 2010, bottom of page 3)
It’s also mentioned in the report that total employment growth last year was 115,900. This means about half of the new jobs went to locals. If it has not sunk in yet, let me say one more time: “locals” refer to “both citizens and PRs”.
Now, it appears that even the term “Singaporeans” can include PRs! As reported in ChannelNewsAsia (emphasis mine, see also printed PDF):
“Last year alone, 115,900 jobs were added, with half going to Singaporeans.” (CNA, by S Ramesh/May Wong | Posted: 29 April 2011 2033 hrs)
Singaporeans!? All along, I had always thought Singaporeans refer to citizens, and only citizens. Now, PRs are also called Singaporeans! Do we want to give them voting rights too?
Fortunately, in today’s Straits Times, the less ambiguous term is used, much to my relief:
“Last year, about half of 115,900 new jobs created went to locals.” (ST, page A8, April 30, 2011)
When will we get to see statistics on citizens, and citizens only?
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And speaking of hypocrisy and hypocrites, in my opinion, the worst hypocrites in Singapore are the PAP and its supporters, whoever they are, but especially the upper classes!
They like to PRETEND that they “love” and “care” and want to “serve” Singaporeans, but in reality, they just want to maintain/increase their power, possessions (including, but not just, money), and pleasures!
They want to USE, or rather MISUSE, middle/lower-class Singaporeans as slaves until they die, and are constantly trying to get new slaves (regardless of whether they’re locals or foreigners) to replace those slaves who have become useless in one way or another!
Singapore has never been a democracy since its so-called independence in 1965!
For the past half-century, Singapore has been a monarchy or oligarchy or aristocracy, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon, unless the Opposition can somehow win the majority of the 87 parliamentary seats tomorrow!
and yet as long as u had the material stuff, u had no problems with autocracy, dictatorship, hypocrites. now that u are personally pained , u are crying and making it look about BIG PRINCIPLES rather that a fistful of dollars.
PAP is what the govts and politicians every where are. but its u who is crying for material stuff and yet making it look like as if its abt Ideas , Principles and Freedom.
PAP has screwed in the past 5 years and they need to be taught a lesson. But , u guys dont deserve any better.
@andYet:
“and yet as long as u had the material stuff, u had no problems with autocracy, dictatorship, hypocrites.”
It seems to me that you overlooked this statement of mine in my recent comment:
“That’s not true, and you should know it, unless you’re ignorant of the fact that this “same govt” has been hated by many people since BEFORE “the past 5-6 years”, to say the least again!
“now that u are personally pained”
It’s not only NOW that I’m “personally pained”; I’ve been “personally pained” since way BEFORE “now”!
“u are crying and making it look about BIG PRINCIPLES rather that a fistful of dollars.”
That’s because it IS about “BIG PRINCIPLES”, and not just about money!
If Singapore becomes a kampong with less than 100,000 inhabitants, there won’t be any need for money; what would be needed is simply hard work in farming! LOL
“PAP is what the govts and politicians every where are.”
So?
Just because everyone else is doing it doesn’t mean they’re right!
Just because everyone else is sinning, should I/we imitate them?
“but its u who is crying for material stuff and yet making it look like as if its abt Ideas , Principles and Freedom.”
We are human beings made up of both soul and body, so of course “Ideas , Principles and Freedom” have to go hand in hand with “material stuff”!
It is GREED that I’m against, not basic necessities and meaningful work for survival!
” PAP has screwed in the past 5 years and they need to be taught a lesson.”
In my opinion, if PAP truly has a real sense of shame, the entire party should just RESIGN and not stand for the Election at all!
The very fact that they still dare to run for the Election proves how SHAMELESS they are!
And since they’re still so shameless, all the more do they NOT deserve to rule Singapore, even if they win the Election tomorrow!
“But , u guys dont deserve any better.”
I would say that COWARDS don’t deserve any better, but as for the “u guys” you’re referring to, I’m not sure who they are! LOL
Or if you just mean ME, you might be right, even though you don’t know me well enough yet! LOL
But then again, sometimes I have no interest in living (whether in Singapore or anywhere else in the world) and want to die sooner, rather than later, anyway! LOL
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For those foreigners, the only excuse they can only barked on is “if our country doesn’t have them here, we can’t survive. Sound like they are acting as a savior to us. IF THEY WANT TO BE A SAVIOR, WHY DONT THEY SAVE THEIR OWN COUNTRY INSTEAD, RATHER THAN COMING ALL THE WAY HERE? Pls help your own kin 1st! It all voice down to 1 reason and all local born here know what is in their mind. If the salary here is equivalent or lesser than theirs back home, will they even think of coming here? How many foreigner has benefit from SGP? Free study and to the extend of free citizenship?
Anyway, even if the foreigner do agree inside, they will never acknowledge. Khagan, you think they will pack their back and went home because they feel guilty after realizing they have done wrong from your enlightenment? You are wasting your time to debate with them.
We ARE your saviours. You government even admitted that – we CREATE JOBS for you daft locals with poor genes.
@NSmen:
“Khagan, you think they will pack their back and went home because they feel guilty after realizing they have done wrong from your enlightenment?”
Of course not! LOL
“You are wasting your time to debate with them.”
I’m aware of that possibility, but at least I had some fun! LOL
But seriously, in my opinion, the seeming “peace” and “prosperity” in Singapore CANNOT last forever!
A day of reckoning will come eventually because it HAS to!
Some kind of disaster, either natural or man-made, will happen to punish us all for our sins!
For making SINgapore a City of Sin!
@FT:
“We ARE your saviours. You government even admitted that – we CREATE JOBS for you…”
Uh, do you seriously believe that nonsense? LOL
Or are you seriously trying to brainwash us readers? LOL
And so what if the so-called “Government” (and take note that I do not say “our”) says that?
Not all Singaporeans agree with, and accept, the numerous brainwashing nonsense that come from the Government!
“daft locals with poor genes.”
Yes, I do agree that SOME locals are daft, but I DON’T blame them, as long as they try their best to be good people!
115,900 Jobs Created, But How Many Went To Citizens?
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You won’t cos the citizen stats are ugly if they show it to you. Lumping with PRs will push up the numbers. It’s like combining the best class in school with the worst class, the results will be better.
It’s an old trick used by statisticians around the world.
That’s why we need smart people to ask good questions in parliament and outside parliament. Strive for the ugly truth, the real truth, and nothing but the truth.
I’m a PR and I pay taxes and CPF just like you do. We are equal. I earn a local wage just like you. The reason why PRs are valuable is because as a workforce they bring a new perspective and are capable of thinking for themselves. I find locals narrow minded and inflexible. PRs raise valuable revenue for the country which cannot be disregarded.
Let’s face it – if the locals could do the jobs, there would be no need for PRs.
If we go back to a 90% local workforce then how many of you want to work 14 hours a day in a nail shop washing feet? You can’t be selective with this – no PRs means Singaporeans have to do dead-end jobs.
It’s funny that Singaporeans don’t complain about non-local workers when they are cleaning their toilets or raising their children.
No one is saying we should kick out all PRs. You should read carefully before firing your comments.
We don’t mind foreign workers filling up jobs we aren’t willing to do: construction workers, domestic helpers, cleaners, etc. Even for while collar jobs, we don’t mind competing with foreigners and PRs as long as it is FAIR!
It is not fair now as it stands. I’ll highlight 2 issues:
Enclaves
There are enclaves of certain nationalities that hire their own people. These are good paying jobs in banks and MNCs. And these are jobs that local citizens can do and are more than willing to do.
NS
All male citizens must serve NS and have reservist liabilities. PRs don’t. Given 2 candidates of equal calibre, the citizen will definitely lose out.
Before you say we are narrow minded, take a good look at yourself.
If you feel unwelcome, you can always go back to your country.
Now, if citizens feel unwelcome in our own homeland, where do we go?
u migrate lah
Tell me which country treats foreigners better than citizens and I’ll go there right away. Wait – No such country except Singapore? Damn!
@SG Man: How do you see foreigners treated better than citizens in SG?
Would appreciate some rational explanation to that statement if you don’t mind.
There are at least 4 things I can think of: Labels, Enclaves, NS and HDB.
Labels
The government and mainstream media have over many years addressed foreigners by the euphemistic term “foreign talent” and said “foreigners create jobs for Singporeans”. On the other hand, citizens are sometimes scolded as “dafts” and “sheep” with not enough “spurs stuck to their hide”.
Enclaves
It is a fact that foreigners like to hire their own kind. They may give reasons like locals aren’t qualified, but the main reason is that they like to work with people from similar cultural backgrounds – this is admittedly natural human behaviour, but the government has not addressed this despite having been extremely efficient in implementing racial quotas in HDB flats – they knew people of same race prefer to live together, so they made sure there’s a good distribution, but don’t they realize that people of same culture also prefer to work together? The issue of enclaves has been raised once or twice to the ST Forum pages, but nothing has been done yet. Take a visit to Changi Business Park, Marina Bay Financial Centre and Dhoby Ghaut area and you’ll know what I mean.
NS
Male citizens have National Service liabilities. After serving full-time for 2 years (foreigners don’t), there is still the In-Camp Training liability up till age 40 for non-officers and age 50 for officers. The duration of ICT is up to 40 days PER YEAR. See: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/nsmen/opsready/NS_ICT.html
Given this, imagine what goes through the mind of a foreigner hiring manager when he has 2 candidates of identical credentials but one is a foreigner and the other a Singapore male citizen. This handicap of male citizens has not been addressed.
HDB
PRs who are singles have a huge edge over citizens when buying HDB flats. See: http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/09/hdb-policy-on-singles-singaporean-vs-permanent-resident/
As far as I know, the government has not addressed this yet.
Last but not least, as someone said above, foreigners and PRs can always go back to their countries when they make enough money or when they feel unwelcome, but citizens have no where to go.
@Another PR – I would like to hear your rational comments on these.
there are so many comments posted. did u guys read any of them ?
These people who think foreigners are treated better are those who are in the bottom zone. Obly, they look at foreigners who are slightly better than them professionally. THey cannot comprehend their mediocrity so they feel wow, how come they are paid better with no extra brains. In their own mind, such locals are geniuses.
If u always look at people who are better off than u and bitch about it, then what can one do or say.
Trust me, Singaporeans have better chance than most FTs to make a career. They dont and try to take an easy way out. When down the line, they face competition from FTs , they whine. Bcus when it was time to slog, they took it easy. So even though they start with an advantage they cant keep it up.
Dont sympathize for people who cant be responsible for themselves. Even tho FTs have increased the crowd and some are not good, it does not reduce the local’s own neglect and take-it-easy attitude.
To SG MAn 2
There are at least 4 things I can think of: Labels, Enclaves, NS and HDB.
1) labels
citizens are sometimes scolded as “dafts” and “sheep” with not enough “spurs stuck to their hide
NOt an issue. These are comments to spur the citizens to work harder. Generally, locals are called “Singaporeans”
2) enclaves
Not an issue. If that is the case, then u can complain that management from a certain race will only hire their own race
3) NS
Not an issue. Mindef is awarding companies that supports NS wholeheartedly. So, everyone gains
4) HDB
The link that u provides only complains about PR siblings buying resale HDB. Read recently that they r gonna scrap the PR sibling eligiblity. Locals can get loan from gov, + subsidies..
.. therefore, no issue also
Few years back our country is looking forward to 1st world living standards (e.g. Swiss standard). Less work life with more personnel life instead. E.g. 4 working days per week. In this progress lot of company have reduced work days from 5.5 days to 5 days to support the direction. However, with the influx of less develop country folk like yours, we have to double up our work pace again in order to keep up with the competition yours kind has created.
You call that not an issue?
isn’t it obvious it is not an issue to Mr Chinaman? the foreigners are here just to exploit the lax policies. but even the pap is in panic mood lately, so all is good! we need more elections!
To thread #73 :
To Chinaman Says:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Few years back our country is looking forward to 1st world living standards (e.g. Swiss standard). Less work life with more personnel life instead. E.g. 4 working days per week. In this progress lot of company have reduced work days from 5.5 days to 5 days to support the direction. However, with the influx of less develop country folk like yours, we have to double up our work pace again in order to keep up with the competition yours kind has created.
You call that not an issue?
….what has working 4 or 5 or 5.5 days got to do with FT? What’s the link, can u explain?
…r u saying that local work pace is only half compared to ft?
… less develop country folk? the whole world including US is sucking up to china now..
(Still waiting for Mr SG Man 2 to reply)
to chinaman,
i hope in reality u are not from china. ur comments are not truly reflective of how all of your 1billion comrades think of the issues mentioned above.
noone is saying that singaporeans’ work rate (and not pace) is half of a foreign talent. working longer hours does not equate to efficiency. in some cases, it is a case of gross inefficiency.
whether the world is sucking up to China or not, is still grossly undefined. and your choice of terms (sucking up) reflects only on your lack of proper sense of proprietary and manners, either that, or a lack of a good command of english.
the door is always open bothways. if you are less than happy, you can always exit where you had entered. im sure u, chinaman, would not welcome highly disgruntled and sarcastic guests to your home. and judging from your responses, you would in most likelihood shove them towards the door.
to adiemuso :
i have nothing against ur opinion. but when u people claim that ur generous hosts who take a sacrifice to accomodate fts, i find it offensive. u guys dont care abt FTs, be it talented ones or laborers. any country does it mainly from an economic point of view. so stop this Host Funda. people who live in singapore shd have a say in matters that concern them. why is it that only locals can bitch abt FTs while FTs cannot do the other way. FTs may not be able to vote, but can have a contrary opinion
to FCB,
i do not think that we do not care about our FTs. and i do not think that we do not allow FTs a say or view in our policies.
however, like in a home, do you allow your guests to meddle with the layout and setup of the furnitures?
on the other hand, if the guests are unhappy about the treatment or perceived themselves to be unfairly treated, they have the right to leave.
and i must clarify, i am not xenophobic and i am not anti FT. I am a pure Singaporean and I am proud of being one. I was borne and bred here, had served my NS and so I think I deserved my fair rights to voice my opinions and defend my country and my fellow Singaporeans.
we Singaporeans will be nice and fair to everyone, but please do reciprocate too.
vote out the FTs.
(well, you actually vote out their proxy.)
lets all work hand in hand for the future of this great nation..
@ adiemuso :
FTs are not the guests of locals. Altho your opinion is certainly valid. I am a foreigner and I know there are so many undesirable FTs here. I also know the life has detoriorated in Sg in the past 7-8 years. And yes, a lot of whining is justified.
But, no singaporean is hosting me or is being gracious to me. Ur govt mite welcome intelligent talented people like me, but not locals.
FTs are here bcus of a Economic Reality and ur govt sees them as inevitable. This has nothing to do with Hosting and Guesting.
If tomorrow, some locals beat up FTs, will it concern FTs. Dont they have to rite to protest. This kind of mental abuse directed towards FTs everywhere is the same as mental beating.
U may have a point but so do FTs. FTs certainly have a rite to state things that concern them, even if locals dont like it.
Thanks
don’t argue so much. just vote them out. we are now repenting for 5 years. 5 years too long.
Are you here recently or been here before 2007?
You sound like a reasonable folk.
FT has been here in Singapore for decades and no one make a fuss out of it. Do you heard such kind of displeasure openly 10 years ago if you happen to stay here long enough? Most of my FT colleauges have work together with us for many years and we don’t feel them different from any of the local born. Even my boss is a FT whom has been here for almost 20 years. BTW, he is my mentor and I personnelly feel very grateful to him.
The current situation we are facing is the sudden influx/surge of FT since ~2007. For those FT who came here during the influx period & who does not stay long enough and make significant contribution to our country, don’t come and tell us Singaporean that “if without you folk here, there wouldn’t be today Singapore,” kind of comment. This is because you are not the FT that made those contribute.
A post on “Workplace bullying on Singaporeans by FT”
http://forums.asiaone.com/showthread.php?t=39927
@ FCB
In reality, I have heard far more cases of FT and PR “beating up” citizens in terms of jobs and work place than the other way around. The fact that you say that “the whining is justified” proves that you acknowledged the situation.
Yes, we do see whining on internet by locals and your so call “mental abuse”. What about actually job loss, career displacement and social discontentment of the locals? I’m quite certain that your views are that locals are not up to the mark.
Pot is calling the kettle black.
Naturally, as human beings, we welcomed FTs who are really talented, contribute and can integrate with the citizens. But there are so many FTs out there right now and there are those who don’t want to integrate, can’t make the mark, but still see themselves as more superior than locals or are just simply disrespectful.
It takes 2 hands to clap.
I know you see yourself as a talent as our govt gives you a free scholarship for your PHD. Instead of whining in forums all the time – See http://www.salary.sg/2009/your-citizenship-is-worth-4511-more-than-a-pr-per-year/, why do you come up with more constructive views on how FTs and local can integrate better?
Honestly, I doubt you cared or your agenda is even positive. Your arguments are obstinately pro-FTs and not Pro-Singapore (both FT and locals). So why should we take your views seriously?
Probably, a FT that integrates well with citizens won’t have your kind of frustration and have more meaningful views than you.
I am from Spain working in New Zealand. It’s still surprising to me to read this kind of comments, especially from a country like Singapore where most of you have Chinese roots, Indian roots, or somewhere else roots.
You speak about integration.. And what does exactly integration mean to you? who defines the “pure” Singapore culture?
It makes me angry as well to read that permanent citizens who pay taxes and contribute to the development of the country should not have the same rights. A country is for those who live and work in the country, no matter where they were pushed away from their mum’s tummy.
It disgusts me this kind of opinions. Open the eyes and more important, open the mind. And don’t forget why Singapore has the quality of life it has..
Do you know anything about National Service?
Next time I’ll go work in your house, pay taxes, and demand the same rights as your father’s son. He should give me a share of your family’s inheritance too. Deal?
And who makes you owner of the land you dwell?
By the way, I would never hire a nazi like you..
But any other willing to collaborate with my business and pay taxes like everyone else would be welcome, as home is where you live, not where you were born.
Who knows, maybe one day you’ll need to emigrate too. Let’s see what do you think then in a “foreign” country, where you pay the same taxes than everyone else, where you spend your money, have your home,… and then people tells you that you shouldn’t have the same rights because in a stupid passport it says you were born somewhere else. Shitty world, where money knows no frontiers but people must have always a label.
Where would Singapore be without the foreigners. Study more history man..
When I emigrate, and I do wish I will one day, I will gladly know my position in the new country. I know I will be a second class citizen and not demand to be treated with full equality. I’m a new joiner and will thus be respectful to the incumbents and learn from them their likes and dislikes. I will try my best to assimilate and integrate with them, and not demand that they unconditionally welcome me instead. It also means I have to forego certain foreign habits and cultural nuances that are acceptable in my previous abode but unwelcome in my new homeland.
@Diego
>> Where would Singapore be without the foreigners. Study more history man..
Shut your fucking stinking mouth. Serve your fucking NS in Singapore then fucking come and talk to us, fucking foreign shithead.
You know? you are lucky. I’m in Singapore until the end of the month due to business.
I can meet you and you tell me that face to face. If there is something i hate is nazis. And if there is something worse than a nazi is a faggot trying to be a nazi.
So tell me when and where. Let’s see how brave you are then.
Very good @Godie..
and tell me, what does make you a “pure” Singaporean? How long have your roots been in Singapore? Are you chinese-roots? indian? malay?
What is exactly the Singaporean culture? Because I see many chinese in the streets, and many hindues, and many muslim-malay.. so explain to me exactly how a foreigner adapts to a multicultural country like Singapore who has not even “native” language and about 50 years of History as a nation.
What does it mean to you adaptation then?
I think the comments here reflect much more a sense of frustration and hopelessness among Singaporeans, not a deep-rooted disgust of foreigners. A feeling that they can not belong to the country anymore where they grew up in…
I grew up in Europe so I am very aware of the history and how Fascists & right-wing parties came to power. They tapped exactly into these kinds of xenophobic feelings. Therefore, I think demagogic phrases as “pure Singaporean culture” and “Singapore for Singaporeans” have to be fought against with all vigour by everybody.
Discussion about social integration of foreigners has also been raging in Europe the past decades. This has let to much tighter immigration policies. I am surprised that our government officials expected to get away with a very liberal immigration policy just because the immigrants had somewhat similar cultural backgrounds…
Diego,
why are you in a salary forum ranting and angry about Singapore not giving same rights to foreigners or PR? When the fact is very clear that foriegners and PR are given the same rights if not more. So why are you ranting about?
Singaporeans are not like your so called “Nazis” ideals. If you have travelled extensively, you will know that every country, there are bound to be some individuals who are xenaphobia. Look, Singapore already has almost 40% foreigners and PR here (where else can you find such a high number?), comparing to many countries, Singaporeans are already very welcoming. Have you experience protests on the streets or racial fights in Singapore? In other countries, foreigners are made to live in certain disticts, whereas in Singapore, they are welcome to share our public housings.
Instead of coming here with in-your-face criticisms, why don’t you suggest constructive recommendations that help foriegners and PR integrate effective into the nation? Posting your kind of comments will simply worsen the situations. I simply don’t get what’s your motivation for all these rants?
I haven’t called nazis to Singaporeans! In fact I have many good friends in Singapore and I’m always glad to visit them and the country (probably i will even have to live for a while here)
What I call nazi ideas is, as @Locke says, these “Singapore for Singaporeans” or “pure Singaporean”.. because I have seen the same kind of attitude in Europe and it makes me sick, and if it cannot be justified in Europe, even less in Singapore (due to history facts).
So what makes me rant about it are the comments of some people who believe they are the land’s owners, when they are the first or second generation with Singapore passport.
So here it goes my constructive recommendation. Do not forget what makes Singapore the country it is now. Immigrants. After all, you all are.
isnt it obvious Singaporeans are a bunch of immigrants who have melded to integrate together in Singapore, sacrifice personal time & life to contribute to the Singapore community, serve NS & reservists, etc, but now end up being discriminated, exploited & ridiculed by foreigner immigrants in Singapore !!
I think we should give voting rights to foreigners too. That way they can get to rule over us for sure. Maybe the government is already planning to amend the constitution once again, to make Singapore open to everyone around the world. Totally plugged into the global economy. The star trek ideal, where everyone works for the greater good of the w
Such foreigners want all the benefits without the responsibilities. This guy doesn’t even know what is NS and obviously hasn’t served a single day.
As always, we can link this behaviour to ministers… haha. Up till most recently, ministers get astronomical salaries “pegged” to top private sector jobs, but they don’t have to be accountable for mistakes. They are never sacked or reprimanded for making major errors (again, this is up till most recently, but those 3 are honourably “retired” from cabinet and maybe with huge pensions for life… so…)
I have realised that you are outlining the distinction between foreigners, PRs and Singaporeans in the economic breakdown. May I suggest you include the terms “naturalised Singaporeans” and “native Singaporeans” as well to raise awareness? I personally see no difference between a “naturalised Singaporean”, a PR, and a foreigner (the nationality/residence status are different, but the hearts are all not in Singapore).
Think about it: If 50,000 native Singaporeans lose their jobs but 115,900 jobs are created, it is even worse since their jobs actually go to these PRs, foreigners and naturalised Singaporeans. Yet, we do not have the statistics on the distinction between “naturalised Singaporeans” and “native Singaporeans”. Just look at this chart: http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:SGP&dl=en&hl=en&q=singapore+population, showing an exponential increase in population size, when we are told that the birth rate keeps dropping.